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re: Pels openly discussing trading Jrue
Posted on 11/6/20 at 12:22 pm to eyeran
Posted on 11/6/20 at 12:22 pm to eyeran
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I'm not sure why Jrue would want to make a lateral move, at best(if i'm being charitable to Atl), to the Hawks.
Atlanta has pretty clean books and doesn't have any core pieces that aren't on a rookie deal. I could see Atlanta paying Jrue more in an extension than anyone else. That might be a difference maker to a player that just started a charitable foundation by giving up a quarter of his salary to fund it.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 12:24 pm
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 12:52 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Reddish, at absolute worst, is going to be an elite 3 ball guy. At worst
Man I hope so. Especially if he did come here. But people talked him up since college yet he’s been awful from then to now.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:19 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:Fine with that or replace Hunter with Huerter if Atlanta does not want to part with Hunter. I doubt they offer that much though.
Reddish, Hunter , 6.
Zion gets his buddy from college.
Everyone is happy
Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:22 pm to eyeran
I think Jrue understands the competative difference between the East and West. He would help Trae a lot considering some of the best teams consist of solid guards like Kemba, Lowry, Kyrie, etc.. Jrue helps gives an advantage that was never there for the Hawks in the past. If they do it right and build around those 2 then they could be a solid team.
The hawks may be one of the more desperately teams to get a solid player around their star.
The Hawks will not be able to pay Trae, Huerter, Reddish, Hunter, Collins, and Jrue anyway.
They get Jrue and would most likely sign Collins, extend Trae, and would still be able to keep 1 of Reddish, Hunter, and Huerter.
The hawks may be one of the more desperately teams to get a solid player around their star.
The Hawks will not be able to pay Trae, Huerter, Reddish, Hunter, Collins, and Jrue anyway.
They get Jrue and would most likely sign Collins, extend Trae, and would still be able to keep 1 of Reddish, Hunter, and Huerter.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:23 pm to Dantheman504
I don’t see Holiday turning down an extension from any team if offered. No way he gets anywhere near that much money on the open market.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:26 pm to NOSHAU
Looking at Hawks boards and meeting somewhere in the middle between them and us, I don't think they give anything close to that.
Just squeezing Reddish out of them is pretty unlikely.
We would probably have to give back more value than we expect.
People will balk but I think we have to send back 13, take on Dedmon, and maybe give back a young player.
Something like:
Jrue + 13 + 39
6 + Reddish + Dedmon
MAY get it done but for anymore value we would like have to give up someone like NAW at least.
Just squeezing Reddish out of them is pretty unlikely.
We would probably have to give back more value than we expect.
People will balk but I think we have to send back 13, take on Dedmon, and maybe give back a young player.
Something like:
Jrue + 13 + 39
6 + Reddish + Dedmon
MAY get it done but for anymore value we would like have to give up someone like NAW at least.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:27 pm to supe12sta12z
I'm also thinking about incentives. I think Jrue has a lot higher chance of getting in all star games and making a splash in the East. If both sides are ok to part ways then I'd like to see Jrue dominate back in the East his last years.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:30 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
Because if you take Reddish you will have to give back something in return, like #13.
Why
They picked Hunter before him didn’t they
Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:33 pm to Fun Bunch
Dedmon would be a salary dump to help the Hawks. Jrue and #13 for Reddish and #6 is not a good trade. I can see this as a last resort if we somehow need to trade him. If we give them #13 then we are getting Huerter or Hunter as well or if you threw in a future first.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:35 pm to Fun Bunch
Kevin O'Connor mentioned on the NBA Show pod that Atlanta is wanting to include Huerter as a sweetener in any trade that they make for a veteran this offseason.
He also mentioned 6 + Huerter for 13 + Jrue and Tjarks thought that was a good deal and that he really liked the fit of Huerter in New Orleans...
There's gotta be a better deal than just Huerter and 6 for Jrue and 13
He also mentioned 6 + Huerter for 13 + Jrue and Tjarks thought that was a good deal and that he really liked the fit of Huerter in New Orleans...
There's gotta be a better deal than just Huerter and 6 for Jrue and 13
Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:38 pm to Epic Cajun
Right. Maybe Huerter and 6 for Jrue but still may have to do better than that.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:45 pm to Lester Earl
I got a lot of shite for saying there is 4-5 realistic teams who could land Jrue. That is also taking into account which teams would need a 3rd team to make it happen.
2 team trades:
Nets
Pacers
Nuggets
Hawks
Boston (if they want him)
Toronto (if they want him)
3 team trades:
Philly
GSW
Miami
Milwaukee
Minnesota
I just can't see Jrue being traded to the West. Chances are many eastern conference teams are on the phone fighting off Denver in the west.
2 team trades:
Nets
Pacers
Nuggets
Hawks
Boston (if they want him)
Toronto (if they want him)
3 team trades:
Philly
GSW
Miami
Milwaukee
Minnesota
I just can't see Jrue being traded to the West. Chances are many eastern conference teams are on the phone fighting off Denver in the west.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 11/6/20 at 2:51 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
People will balk but I think we have to send back 13, take on Dedmon, and maybe give back a young player.
Something like:
Jrue + 13 + 39
6 + Reddish + Dedmon
absolutely not.
Jrue is worth 6 and Reddish at a minimum, and i don't know if i'd even take that, unless it was the absolute best deal and Jrue said he's not resigning with us, which i'm sure he hasn't said. That should be the starting point from Atlanta, and we say no, we want Heurter too.
If you think we are going to give up Jrue, 13 and 39 to get Reddish and 6, you're out your mind. Dedmon is a negative contract in my mind. I don't even want him on our team after the crap he pulled in Sacramento.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 2:54 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Kevin O'Connor mentioned on the NBA Show pod that Atlanta is wanting to include Huerter as a sweetener in any trade that they make for a veteran this offseason.
He also mentioned 6 + Huerter for 13 + Jrue and Tjarks thought that was a good deal and that he really liked the fit of Huerter in New Orleans...
and Kevin O'Connor is a moron. I wouldn't even do that trade if you replaced JJ with Jrue.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 2:57 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
He also mentioned 6 + Huerter for 13 + Jrue
Jesus.
All of these national guys are making me a bit nervous. They seem to think Jrue's value is total garbage while praising the hell out of him.
I don't get it. That would be a laughable bad deal.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:00 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:I think part of it is that he is basically an expiring deal. His value may not be that high unless he goes to a place where he makes them feel comfortable about staying. Even so, that eliminates some competition in the negotiations.
Jesus.
All of these national guys are making me a bit nervous. They seem to think Jrue's value is total garbage while praising the hell out of him.
I don't get it. That would be a laughable bad deal.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:04 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
I think part of it is that he is basically an expiring deal. His value may not be that high unless he goes to a place where he makes them feel comfortable about staying. Even so, that eliminates some competition in the negotiations.
Paul George got Oladipo and Sabonis, and he was outspoken about not resigning anywhere b/c he was going to LA.
Jrue isn't PG, but he still has a lot more value than some of these deals these national guys are throwing out there.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:08 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Paul George was a much more sought after player then, at 27, than Jrue at 30. Also, Sabonis was a complete unknown at the time and Oladipo did not flourish until he got to Indy. It was not seen as even close to equal value for PG at the time.
Paul George got Oladipo and Sabonis, and he was outspoken about not resigning anywhere b/c he was going to LA.
Jrue isn't PG, but he still has a lot more value than some of these deals these national guys are throwing out there.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:10 pm to TeddyPadillac
And considering he’s the only big name that’s officially on the market, the Pelicans have a lot of leverage here. There’s enough teams vying for his services that the Pelicans will get a better than good haul.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:15 pm to NOSHAU
So the Pacers traded for Sabonis and Oladipo while not thinking much of them for PG who you say was a very sought after player? Those 2 things don't add up. The Pacers knew they were getting at least pretty good players in Sabonis and Oladipo. Did OKC also trade PG thinking Gallinari and SGA were just meh?
There are also a lot more SFs in the league right now and more athletic players at PF to help gaurd these guys.
Now that teams have guys dominating like Doncic, Mitchell, Trae, Murray,Lillard etc.. Jrue is the perfect guy to combat that. Don't undervalue the way the game is being played currently and how much Jrue can have an impact on some teams.
There are also a lot more SFs in the league right now and more athletic players at PF to help gaurd these guys.
Now that teams have guys dominating like Doncic, Mitchell, Trae, Murray,Lillard etc.. Jrue is the perfect guy to combat that. Don't undervalue the way the game is being played currently and how much Jrue can have an impact on some teams.
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