re: Pels interested in Mathurin per Stein

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Mathruin = timeline fit for Fears/ Queen
Mathurin > Poole/ Hawk
Mathruin= Could still develop

Do those things sound like a bad addition?

The people bitching about trading Herb are the same people that don't think we win 30 games.

Please be honest when I ask you: What the frick is Herb worth here if we are a 30 win team?

All of the sudden y'all think we will be winners and its because of Herb? Are y'all being dishonest about Herb's importance or dishonest about how good we are?

When we don't trade for a player we are dumb because all of our players are meaningless and can't win but when we do trade a player we are dumb because that player is the 2nd coming of Michael Jordan. Bipolar arse fans.

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None of those sound like a "great addition." He "could" still develop even though 2 teams have already given up on him? Maybe. Better than Poole/Hawk? Sure. Could probably name dozens that fit that category. However, Poole and Hawk are expiring. Is Mathurin better than whatever we could spend that $41 million on in the future seasons? Mathurin is good at getting to the line. He is a bit of a ball hog a times (not as bad as Poole). He also plays absolutely no defense. We would be going from an excellent defender to a sieve defensively. Herb is surprisingly a better career 3pt shooter than Mathurin. He is the type of player you take a shot on if you can get him at a reasonable price. Not sure I would trade Herb for him unless we were getting a solid 1st in return at a minimum.

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He's a star defender with horrid offense

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While Herb is certainly not great or even good offensively; he’s also far from horrid. He understands spacing very well (though clearly needs to be a more consistent shooter) and is a very good cutter and moves well without the basketball. Offense is not simply how well you shoot the basketball.

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Mathurin > Poole

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Is he?
Is he worth giving up Herb for, or anything for that matter?

He's been in the league for 4 years. He has shot over 34% from 3 once. He and Poole are pretty much the same exact player.
Why would we give up assets to sign a player that we already have? ( we aren't in the tax , or in threat to it, so there salaries are meaningless to me in this scenario, and if anything, Poole is more valuable as a large expiring trade piece)
Mathurin is not part of some future timeline for any team, if he was, he'd be signed by now. Poole has actually been a really good teammate from what it seems like, and if he's here to help Fears get better than i'd rather him for one more year than a new contract for a bench guy.

I"m not saying i wouldn't mind having him, but i'm not giving up a single asset to acquire him outside of a 2nd.

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Please be honest when I ask you: What the frick is Herb worth here if we are a 30 win team?

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What does this even mean? Herb is a role player. Zion is why we are a 30 win team.
Lou Dort just got 3 2nd round picks. You want to trade Herb for that, b/c I don't.

Take out the fandom, Side by side how do Herb and Mathurin compare?

Herb is better and contributes to winning. Herb would not be traded for Mathurin.

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Who says that is being offered? Who has said we were willing to give a 1st for Ben Mathurin (lol)?

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When we were originally rumored to like Mathurin and it was understood they match his contract unless they get a pick...

Who said we were trading Herb for Mathurin straight up??

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Trading an undrafted player that is meaningless to the grand scheme here for 2 2nds and cash? Yes.

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You do realize you are pretty much the only Pelicans fan on the planet that is ok with this trade?
Jose isn't meaningless.
The 2 2nds we got are worthless.

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Are you saying that we don't have a chance to get a better player with (2) 2nds than the guy we traded who was an undrafted player who averaged 5ppg? Want to read that back?

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No. The odds are heavily not in our favor that we find a player that even makes the fricking team, much less is as good as Jose.

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Are you one of the selfish fans who would have rather kept him in this hell > letting him win a championship?

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Everyone is happy for Jose. That doesn't mean we are happy about the trade.

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What we should’ve traded him for?

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You don't trade him. It's a business. What we did wasn't a business decision. It was a let's be nice to Jose decision. And i'm ok with what we did for him, b/c everyone likes him and is happy for him. But trading a fan favorite who is cheap and actually contributes to winning for nothing isn't a smart business decision. Maybe Jose told them he wasn't resigning with them so that's why they traded him for basically nothing.

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Are you saying that we don't have a chance to get a better player with (2) 2nds than the guy we traded who was an undrafted player who averaged 5ppg? Want to read that back?

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Absolutely!

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Are you one of the selfish fans who would have rather kept him in this hell > letting him win a championship? If so then I don't think y'all deserve to even comment on him. Pure hypocrisy.

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So, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. I cannot tell if you are serious sometimes or if you are simply a troll account.

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What are we accomplishing by not trading him. Contributed to winning less than 50 games the past 2 years.

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Maybe ask the Knicks what they think about trading away meaningless picks to get a guy who played meaningful (albeit minimal) minutes for a team that won a title?