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Posted on 4/23/19 at 9:55 pm to Crewz
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have ZERO insight into AD's thinking
But no, Griffin's pitch won't center on attacking free agency. He will sell him on a franchise that won't take short cuts, that will outwork everyone else, that will get buy in from all members and create a culture that will overcome adversity when others would fold.
That is infinitely more valuable than just going and getting a Jimmy Butler or some equivalent guy. AD and Jrue are as good or better of a 1-2 punch as any team outside of Golden State. The issue isn't that they can't have a talented enough roster. Look at what San Antonio has on their roster. Griffin will try to sell him that what was missing was the buy in and the culture and he will promise to provide that if AD will be all in with them.
I don’t know AD. But the impression I get is that pitch won’t work. He wants shortcuts. He wants a Batman to his Robin. He wants to be in a flashy market and to finally be the star he thinks he is.
I doubt he gives two fricks about “culture” or building the right way. But that’s just amateur psychology on my part from afar.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 9:56 pm to Fun Bunch
Rich Paul’s history w griffin gives me the biggest pause of hesitation that maybe AD can be swayed back cause they know the Lakers trade isn’t going to happen
Posted on 4/23/19 at 9:58 pm to Fun Bunch
I think he feels the criticism with the way he handled this past season. I’m surprised he hasn’t canned Rich Paul yet.
His preferred destinations, esp LA are less desirable at this money
He can still make more money in new Orleans
His preferred destinations, esp LA are less desirable at this money
He can still make more money in new Orleans
Posted on 4/23/19 at 9:58 pm to Dantheman504
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If you value Zion over AD then why would you trade Zion if you were the Knicks?
As it's been stated many times, because getting AD likely means getting KD and Kyrie. Even if you think KD is going to NY either way, it still may be a toss up between NY and BOS for Kyrie, especially if the Celts make a deep run this year. But having both AD and KD tips the scales in a way an 18 year old prospect (as special as he may be) won't.
And for the Pels it's an amazing opportunity to reset.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 9:59 pm to Chad504boy
That certainly is what people seem to think.
My thought is Rich Paul’s history with Griffin makes Paul think he can direct AD to a franchise they want, maybe not the Lakers.
My thought is Rich Paul’s history with Griffin makes Paul think he can direct AD to a franchise they want, maybe not the Lakers.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 9:59 pm to Fun Bunch
Ironically, I think the pitch would work on him if it came from another team. I think the thing that would keep him from coming back would be that he would have to walk back some stuff and apologize. On top of that, if he goes to another team he would have 100% fan support. That wouldn't be the case here at first until he atoned.
I don't think he is mature enough to do that nor do I think he wants to put in the extra work that will require. But if he had the ability to just think logically, with no emotion or baggage attached, I do actually think Griffin's pitch would work. Though they are both smart men in their own ways, sitting opposite Dell and sitting opposite Griffin are two totally different experiences. Griffin can get you hyped to run through a wall. His letter to the Cavs team is as responsible for their title as Draymond punching Lebron in the balls.
He can get people to believe and buy in. But AD has to go in with an open mind and be willing to walk some stuff back publicly.
I don't think he is mature enough to do that nor do I think he wants to put in the extra work that will require. But if he had the ability to just think logically, with no emotion or baggage attached, I do actually think Griffin's pitch would work. Though they are both smart men in their own ways, sitting opposite Dell and sitting opposite Griffin are two totally different experiences. Griffin can get you hyped to run through a wall. His letter to the Cavs team is as responsible for their title as Draymond punching Lebron in the balls.
He can get people to believe and buy in. But AD has to go in with an open mind and be willing to walk some stuff back publicly.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:02 pm to Crewz
Does he really even need to "walk much back" though? Can't he blame his feelings on the past management / structure and say he's been reinvigorated by Griff and the new commitment from ownership? That seems like a pretty easy out, but maybe I'm simplifying too much.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:03 pm to Fun Bunch
RP may have a working relationship with Griffin but I think there are limits to that.
Griffin wants assets to do a rebuild if he sends out AD. He’s not going to do AD a solid and send him out to a team with shite assets, or go easy on the assets so AD isn’t going to a completely barren team.
That’s not to say Griffin sends him to Phoenix if he gets the right offer but I think he will make perfectly clear to AD and Klutch who is running this monkey farm if a trade is going to get made.
The team’s needs come first, though AD’s preferences may be taken into consideration.
Griffin wants assets to do a rebuild if he sends out AD. He’s not going to do AD a solid and send him out to a team with shite assets, or go easy on the assets so AD isn’t going to a completely barren team.
That’s not to say Griffin sends him to Phoenix if he gets the right offer but I think he will make perfectly clear to AD and Klutch who is running this monkey farm if a trade is going to get made.
The team’s needs come first, though AD’s preferences may be taken into consideration.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:03 pm to Fun Bunch
I agree. At his age he already has more money than he could have imagined at a younger age. He seems to want the spotlight and fame > quietly making that extra money and financial security in a small market. Maybe we are wrong but that seems to be the route more modern nba players want to take. With that being said, I don't completely blame him. A younger star wouldn't mind playing for a smaller market and getting his name out there with the chance to win a championship. AD is already proven and has not won yet so it will be very hard to convince him again.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:08 pm to LesGeaux45
I will use your own logic against you. Who is to say Kyrie or KD won't come here if AD stays and we have already have a guy like Jrue along with seriously management and ownership? The point you are making is that AD could bring in other stars and teams are willing to unload because of it. So once again if he is obviously that important and could have that big of an impact, why the hell would you get rid of him if you can keep him?
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:09 pm to Dantheman504
Besides a plan on what to do in the future, there also needs to be a stark reality check as to what teams are possible landing spots for him and why a number of them are actually worse places to be than New Orleans on a lot of fronts.
The Lakers sure don’t have the luster they did in February, for example, because the franchise’s dysfunctions showed up on all levels in the wake of the trade demand.
The Lakers sure don’t have the luster they did in February, for example, because the franchise’s dysfunctions showed up on all levels in the wake of the trade demand.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:11 pm to teke184
I didn’t say Paul would succeed. That’s just what I think he thinks.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:12 pm to Fun Bunch
He thought he could buffalo Dell into sending AD to LA on a week’s notice.
Look at how well that one worked out for them.
Look at how well that one worked out for them.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:13 pm to teke184
Exactly and not many people have talked about it because no one thinks AD will stay, but what if Griffin gets in there and convinces AD to stay and try to recruit Kyrie. What's more inticing to Kyrie, playing with AD and Jrue in Nola or playing with just beta Durant in NY?
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:20 pm to Dantheman504
Get that dream out of your head. Kyrie wouldn't consider that for one second. MAYBE in 2 or 3 years after Griffin and staff have shown the league the new culture is real, they can lure a B level free agent. But Kyrie or anything like that has no chance of happening now
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:28 pm to Crewz
It is 100% a dream but the point is that if we can keep AD, things like that could be a reality in the future. I don't personally think AD will stay and I also will not be upset if he leaves. Regardless, I'm excited to see where this organization can go in the near future.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:29 pm to Crewz
I’m not going to try to pretend I know what AD is thinking, but it seems like he simply doesn’t want to be in New Orleans regardless if Griffin builds a winner, here’s my reasoning.
He signed with Rich Paul after a season in which he and his team swept Portland and took a game from Golden State. To me, that means he was looking at greener pastures even after having his best/most winning season in New Orleans. And that didn’t change his mind to stay. Plus he has stated he wants to “play for a winner” yet the teams he named aren’t winners at the moment, they are brands or in big markets. Lakers, Knicks, Clippers.
To me, it shows that winning in New Orleans isn’t his top priority. His top priority is to be in a big market
He signed with Rich Paul after a season in which he and his team swept Portland and took a game from Golden State. To me, that means he was looking at greener pastures even after having his best/most winning season in New Orleans. And that didn’t change his mind to stay. Plus he has stated he wants to “play for a winner” yet the teams he named aren’t winners at the moment, they are brands or in big markets. Lakers, Knicks, Clippers.
To me, it shows that winning in New Orleans isn’t his top priority. His top priority is to be in a big market
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:30 pm to Dantheman504
I just feel like we won’t go anywhere with AD especially if we sign him to a Supermax (which will be the only reason he stays)
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:31 pm to Crewz
Call me crazy, but if we thought that we had a legit chance at keeping AD, then I wish that we hadn't traded Niko for a dozen 2nd round picks. Would love to keep the AD/Niko/Randle trio. Niko has been good, but hasn't exactly dominated with the Bucs, so I think he would have cost a semi-reasonable amount. If we keep AD, then we're going to be over the cap regardless. Could have potentially used Randle and Niko as leverage against each other.
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