re: Pels/Cavs discuss Collin Sexton trade

Is Obi, Knox, and a shite first really all that aggressive?

Kira and 10 beats that pretty easily and that’s without even throwing another first out there, potentially taking Love back, etc

If we lose out on Sexton to the Knicks for that package that has been floated, Griff has lost his mind and his balls. We’ve already seen the Danny Ainge model doesn’t really work. You end up with cats like Ojele, Grant Williams, and Langford instead of an impactful 3rd star.

If OKC offers 4-5 firsts and we don’t match or top that, it’s fine. But if some mediocre pile of assets lands Sexton and it’s not our mediocre pile, I’ll be pretty disappointed.

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Do want.

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frick spacing amirite

I would prefer he was a better shooter, but adding a smart elite defender at both guard positions, a solid ball handler and facilitator, and great positional rebounder is certainly enticing as a Lonzo replacement on the contract that he's on with hope that he returns to league average 3PT that he was the previous season.

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I would prefer he was a better shooter, but adding a smart elite defender at both guard positions, a solid ball handler and facilitator, and great positional rebounder is certainly enticing as a Lonzo replacement on the contract that he's on with hope that he returns to league average 3PT that he was the previous season.

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His contract is not really great for what he brings. He has 3 years/$50 million remaining.

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You're not going to find many starting guards on Dejounte's level for cheaper.

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I guess we differ on what you consider to be his level.

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I was referring to Dejounte

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my bad. To be honest, i'm not even concerned with it. I think he can be serviceable at catch and shoot 3's with a little help, and he's not someone who's going to shoot a whole lot, and i don't really want to bring in a PG that's going to take shots away from NAW. I want to give NAW free reigns to show he can be a good starting SG, b/c if he is, he solves a lot of issues.

D Murray has been a player floating around my head as well. He’s not a bad backup option this offseason. He is a very legitimate point of attack defender. Nice to know he’s had some catch and shoot success in the past as well.

Wonder if the Spurs are looking or willing to move him and at what price point?

D Murray’s current game reminds me a bit of what we thought we were going to get out of Bledsoe.

Do people really believe griffin will pay lonzo 18 a year but not 20?

Sexton averages 4.4 assists and 9.2 potential assists
per game as the shooting guard on Cleve. If he was asked to be the point guard on a team with more talent, maybe 4.4 assists would be more of an issue. If he shot poor percentages from the field, maybe it would be more of an issue.

He’s the clear cut top talent on Cleveland and he’s not asked to be the point guard. Also, exactly who should he be passing to on that team that gives them a better chance to score than himself?

“Again, opposing teams literally make fun of the Cavs because Sexton doesn’t pass.”

Repeating this unsourced info ad nauseam isn’t productive. The numbers show he passes at, at least an average rate for a 2 or combo guard who’s main role on his current team is to score.

Brandon’s usage rate is 28% and he averages 4.9 assists per game. (likely higher than Sexton bc he has a Zion to pass to)

Zion’s usage is 30% and he averages 3.7 assists a game.

Are they ballhogs too? No, they are just the best fricking scorers on their shitty arse team with almost no other option.

Insert Sexton and you have 3 efficient, diverse scorers who all have the ability to play off of each other and average roughly 5 assists a game. Zion, BI, and Sexton are all among the most doubled players in the league and they all still score at a high level and all of them have a reasonable amount of assists given how shitty the rosters are around them.

Having 2 or 3 of these on the court at all times would be majorly beneficial. Maybe all 3 would have more energy on defense considering their load would be lighter on offense. Their shot quality on offense would be much better and easier too. Also, how many damn times were we winning a game by 10-20 points until we hit a 3,4,6 minute stretch where we can’t buy a basket bc Z and/BI are either gassed, a bit off, or not getting calls? If you have 3 elite scorers, these types of issues don’t happen as frequently and fewer leads are blown.

And if you really want to get into the nitty gritty, usage rate has next to nothing to do with assists.

Usage rate is triggered by the accumulation of possessions ended by fgs made, fgs missed, and turnovers so yeah your goddamn right Zo has a lower usage rate than Sexton because all he does is shoot spot up 3’s and pass. If anything you’d think he’d have more assists or potential assists than Sexton because that’s more of his role and his touches more frequently end in passes than shots on goal compared to Sexton.