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re: Pelicans Trade Rumors and Chatter
Posted on 1/15/24 at 3:59 pm to Soggymoss
Posted on 1/15/24 at 3:59 pm to Soggymoss
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And also, converting 2 ways does count against the cap, which is exactly the reason why we had to wait so long a couple years ago to convert Jose, because otherwise it would’ve pushed us into the tax.
Yeah it’s coming back to me now, I’m sorry, you’re correct. I was thinking about him too and only remembered that we converted him because twoway players can’t play in the postseason, but you’re right, there was tax reasons as well. I was going from memory and got the vet min exception rule that you can sign as many as you want as long it doesn’t go over the hard cap confused with it not counting against the cap for tax purposes. That’s my mistake.
You are right, if we convert JRE and/or seabron, we’d pay a prorated amount, which would be about $500k each if we waited till the last day possible to convert. I guess technically we would only need to convert one and could sign another twoway. But I don’t remember all the twoway exception rules when it comes to how many can play and for what number of games, and I don’t want to open that can of worms or try that math gymnastics.
I was blinded by my 4-year-long love affair with Paul Reed. He’s my Collin Sexton
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 4:07 pm
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Posted on 1/15/24 at 4:18 pm to NOSHAU
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While they may not want to part with Larry, I do not think it is off the table. It would have to be for a player that we think clearly upgrades the team now and in the future.
The only big move I could see moving the needle is a BI for Markaneen package.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 4:19 pm to Colonel Flagg
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The only big move I could see moving the needle is a BI for Markaneen package.
Dude, I would trade BI and several firsts for Lauri.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 4:23 pm to Colonel Flagg
I would not make that deal.
Lauri is going to get max money from the Jazz, he’s not a max player though.
Framework of something I would do:
Pels: Heild, Mathurin, Smith
Raps: Ingram, Zeller
Pacers: Siakam, Naji
Force Willie into not having a choice but to play shooters around Zion.
Lauri is going to get max money from the Jazz, he’s not a max player though.
Framework of something I would do:
Pels: Heild, Mathurin, Smith
Raps: Ingram, Zeller
Pacers: Siakam, Naji
Force Willie into not having a choice but to play shooters around Zion.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 4:30 pm to Soggymoss
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I would not make that deal. Lauri is going to get max money from the Jazz, he’s not a max player though.
BI is going to command a ridiculous amount of money also. While Ingram is good he takes the ball primarily out of Zion’s hands. Lauri also makes threes off of elite volume and is long.
You got two things to figure out do you spend a bunch of money on BI and Jonas. If Jonas is cheap then you bring him back, but I would worry he is not.
You could play Lauri with Jonas, Zion, or Larry. If they could make the deal I would consider it with the idea I would be paying Lauri. He has one more cheap year also.
CJ/Dyson
Herb/Hawkins
Trey/Naji
Zion/Nance
Lauri/Jonas
CJ, Hawkins, Trey, and Lauri should all shoot 8 three point shots a game. That gets you to 32 without even considering the others.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:01 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:No idea. Just saying that he would be on the table if Griffin thought he could get such a player.
Who would that be?
I don't want to trade Larry either, but i'm curious as to who this upgraded player would be, b/c Larry when healthy is pretty damn awesome for us.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:03 pm to Soggymoss
quote:What? That is a pathetic return for BI.
I would not make that deal.
Lauri is going to get max money from the Jazz, he’s not a max player though.
Framework of something I would do:
Pels: Heild, Mathurin, Smith
Raps: Ingram, Zeller
Pacers: Siakam, Naji
Force Willie into not having a choice but to play shooters around Zion.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:06 pm to NOSHAU
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What? That is a pathetic return for BI.
BI is a pathetic player. There’s not going to be a lot of team knocking down the door for ball hog midrange dominant player. Those players are not valuable
Posted on 1/15/24 at 11:42 pm to Balsamic_duck
Ingram to Nets:
LINK
Ingram
Alvarado
Marshall
---> to Nets
Claxton
DFS
O'Neale
'27 PHI 1st (top-8 prot.)
'27 PHX 1st (top-4 prot.)
'29 DAL 2nd
---> to Pelicans
Nets get an all-star caliber player to pair with Bridges/CamJ/CamT while still keeping picks and rookies. Bridges and Ingram bonded on team USA this summer. They also get Ingrams 2 BFFs and hometown hero in Jose A. Still have Simmons' contract slot and picks to add to their new core.
Sharpe/ Clowney/ Giles
CamJ/ Watford
Ingram/ Naji/ Whitehead
Bridges/ CamT/ Walker IV
Dinwiddie/ DSJ/ Jose
(-Simmons)
Pelicans have an early pass on Ingram's next contract, getting value while they can. Refocus shooting and defense around Z. O'Neale could be rerouted to 3rd team for value.
Jonas/ Claxton/ Zeller
Zion / Nance/ EJ
Murphy/ DFS/ O'Neale
Herb/ Hawkins
CJ / Dyson/ Kira
LINK
Ingram
Alvarado
Marshall
---> to Nets
Claxton
DFS
O'Neale
'27 PHI 1st (top-8 prot.)
'27 PHX 1st (top-4 prot.)
'29 DAL 2nd
---> to Pelicans
Nets get an all-star caliber player to pair with Bridges/CamJ/CamT while still keeping picks and rookies. Bridges and Ingram bonded on team USA this summer. They also get Ingrams 2 BFFs and hometown hero in Jose A. Still have Simmons' contract slot and picks to add to their new core.
Sharpe/ Clowney/ Giles
CamJ/ Watford
Ingram/ Naji/ Whitehead
Bridges/ CamT/ Walker IV
Dinwiddie/ DSJ/ Jose
(-Simmons)
Pelicans have an early pass on Ingram's next contract, getting value while they can. Refocus shooting and defense around Z. O'Neale could be rerouted to 3rd team for value.
Jonas/ Claxton/ Zeller
Zion / Nance/ EJ
Murphy/ DFS/ O'Neale
Herb/ Hawkins
CJ / Dyson/ Kira
Posted on 1/16/24 at 7:49 am to DLBalla
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Ingram Alvarado Marshall ---> to Nets Claxton DFS O'Neale '27 PHI 1st (top-8 prot.) '27 PHX 1st (top-4 prot.) '29 DAL 2nd ---> to Pelicans
That’s not even remotely close to a fair deal.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 8:00 am to TeddyPadillac
That opinion is coming from your small, fan-biased brain. If you were a fan of another team, which good players and picks would you trade for Ingram on the verge of demanding a super-max-ish deal?
It's moot point, though. Because we know David Griffin won't trade Ingram or any of the big names soon and definitely not at the deadline.
We should expect a Kira tax cutting move, maybe a Naji trade at most. But taking a gamble on a Wendell Carter Jr. wluld be a fun upside play.
It's moot point, though. Because we know David Griffin won't trade Ingram or any of the big names soon and definitely not at the deadline.
We should expect a Kira tax cutting move, maybe a Naji trade at most. But taking a gamble on a Wendell Carter Jr. wluld be a fun upside play.
This post was edited on 1/16/24 at 8:01 am
Posted on 1/16/24 at 8:29 am to DLBalla
I dont hate this but I need Cleveland in the trade with JV to get Allen here.
Claxton when punched in the mouth tends to shrink and I cant have that in the playoffs. Having 2 rim running bigs that can be subbed in offense or defensive leaning packages with Larry being the 3rd is nice nice. Not only that, Nic is an expiring probably looking for a little too much money?
Fanspo says it works out
Allen/Claxton
Zion/Nance/DFS
Trey/Neal/Ryan?
Herb/Hawk
CJ/Dyson
M.Ryan/JRE/DS/EJL
- Oneal is an expiring
- Allen is here for another 2 years and is right in the age pocket of our other stars on the team
- Trey gets a contract
- Matt Ryan get a contract
This would be a ALL IN 3 year adventure before 2026-2027 season where the team is completely free of books sans Zion/Trey/Hawk
Edit: I want to say BI's trade value is slowly diminishing due to time. The team he gets traded too either needs to handshake on an extension or they have a year to figure that out. I prob dont wait til the summer because were on a time crunch as well.
Claxton when punched in the mouth tends to shrink and I cant have that in the playoffs. Having 2 rim running bigs that can be subbed in offense or defensive leaning packages with Larry being the 3rd is nice nice. Not only that, Nic is an expiring probably looking for a little too much money?
Fanspo says it works out
Allen/Claxton
Zion/Nance/DFS
Trey/Neal/Ryan?
Herb/Hawk
CJ/Dyson
M.Ryan/JRE/DS/EJL
- Oneal is an expiring
- Allen is here for another 2 years and is right in the age pocket of our other stars on the team
- Trey gets a contract
- Matt Ryan get a contract
This would be a ALL IN 3 year adventure before 2026-2027 season where the team is completely free of books sans Zion/Trey/Hawk
Edit: I want to say BI's trade value is slowly diminishing due to time. The team he gets traded too either needs to handshake on an extension or they have a year to figure that out. I prob dont wait til the summer because were on a time crunch as well.
This post was edited on 1/16/24 at 8:33 am
Posted on 1/16/24 at 8:48 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Lauri is going to get max money from the Jazz, he’s not a max player though.
Lauri is just as much if not more of a max player than BI
Posted on 1/16/24 at 8:50 am to LilWezyAna
quote:
Lauri is just as much if not more of a max player than BI
Lauri is absolutely a max guy. He's 10x better than BI
Posted on 1/16/24 at 8:59 am to Balsamic_duck
Lauri is better than BI, I'm not sure it's terribly close.
He'd also fit so much better than BI on this team.
But Ainge either isn't giving him up or won't want BI back plus will want every possible asset they can get from us that would not make it worthwhile so Lauri to the Pels just can't happen unfortunately.
He'd also fit so much better than BI on this team.
But Ainge either isn't giving him up or won't want BI back plus will want every possible asset they can get from us that would not make it worthwhile so Lauri to the Pels just can't happen unfortunately.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 9:04 am to shel311
The Jazz have won six in a row and 9 of their last 10. They are sitting at #9 in the West and moving up quickly.
They aren't trying to get rid of Lauri. People need to get over the idea of trading for him now.
They aren't trying to get rid of Lauri. People need to get over the idea of trading for him now.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 9:30 am to shel311
That’s fair. I just think he is about the only player that has been mentioned of moving that moves the needle.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 9:48 am to DLBalla
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That opinion is coming from your small, fan-biased brain.
No it isn't.
In no world is BI for 3 role players who aren't better than any of our current role players and two 1sts anywhere close to a fair deal.
Your bias hatred for BI is clouding your opinion.
BI is a #2 guy on any team in the nba, meaning he is a guy that can score on his own when needed. If we don't get someone similar back in the deal, then you don't ever make that deal. We can't give away an allstar caliber player for a bunch of fricking average role players, and i could care less about acquiring more draft picks. We aren't in asset accumulation mode anymore. it's win mode from here on out, and this trade makes us win less now and in the future.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 9:51 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Framework of something I would do:
Pels: Heild, Mathurin, Smith
Raps: Ingram, Zeller
Pacers: Siakam, Naji
The melt would be hilarious if we finally made a trade with the Pacers after all these years and the trade doesn’t include Turner.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:06 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
In no world is BI for 3 role players who aren't better than any of our current role players and two 1sts anywhere close to a fair deal. Your bias hatred for BI is clouding your opinion.
BI is a #2 guy on any team in the nba, meaning he is a guy that can score on his own when needed. If we don't get someone similar back in the deal, then you don't ever make that deal. We can't give away an allstar caliber player for a bunch of fricking average role players, and i could care less about acquiring more draft picks. We aren't in asset accumulation mode anymore. it's win mode from here on out, and this trade makes us win less now and in the future
I’ve been on the trade BI train for a while now and have spent a lot of time trying to get a gauge of what other teams valuation of Ingram is. The answer seems to reflect exactly how this board feels about him in that it is polarizing. Apparently some FO around the league think very highly of Ingram while others don’t.
Dunc’d On pod made an off-hand comment about Ingram a few weeks back in regards to trading him for Turner, and I believe it was Nate who mentioned BI is valued pretty highly by a few FOs, and said BI value around the league is much higher than Turner’s. The way some people act on here, you’d think we’d have to attach a first just to dump Ingram, but 2 FRPs for Turner would be a steal.
People are letting Ingram’s issues with fitting this team’s funky roster construction and clunky rotations, cloud their judgement of him as a player.
This post was edited on 1/16/24 at 10:07 am
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