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re: Pelicans Trade Rumors and Chatter
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:57 am to supe12sta12z
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:57 am to supe12sta12z
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BI getting 20-30? try 40.
Try 40? If he continues to play like he did a few nights ago he will easily get 50mil
That breakdown was how much EXTRA we are going to pay not their contracts.
BI will make 20-30 MORE
Trey will make 20-30 MORE
Dyson/ Hawk will make 30 mil MORE
This was a response to “the cap increase will help us”
Fact check: The cap increase will NOT help us with 100 mil
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 9:59 am
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:58 am to Dantheman504
No he won't. He's not a tier 1 player regardless of how you want to spin it.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:00 am to supe12sta12z
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He's not a supermax player. Sorry. He's going to get somewhere in the neighborhood of 40. And if you absolutely think he's getting 50, it's not going to be from the Pelicans.
That's not even a supermax. He's not eligible for that. Thats just the regular max. But yeah in no way is he worth that. Paying BI 221/4 will be the death of this iteration of the pels.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:01 am to supe12sta12z
His max is is 221/4 which is 55mil. So that’s right at 20mil. Someone will give him 45mil if it’s not us. 50-55? I have no clue.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:03 am to supe12sta12z
quote:We can't underestimate just how much Griff loves BI, to a fault, irrationally even.
No he won't. He's not a tier 1 player regardless of how you want to spin it.
I feel like if Point Zion goes absolutely nuts and we win a title on Zion's back this season, Griff will still ensure that BI is front and center on all team marketing and also still he last name called in the starting lineups. Griff just can't get enough of BI, it is what it is.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:03 am to Balsamic_duck
The easiest solution to the cap is to trade Ingram. We already have his replacement in house.
We know he's not a closer.
We know he's an injury risk.
I think you play it out and if he comes through in thr playoffs then you consider an extension. If not, move on.
We know he's not a closer.
We know he's an injury risk.
I think you play it out and if he comes through in thr playoffs then you consider an extension. If not, move on.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:05 am to Balsamic_duck
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But yeah in no way is he worth that. Paying BI 221/4 will be the death of this iteration of the pels.
To me it will all depend on the rest of the season and playoffs for BI in regards to the new contract. The team has shifted to Zion at point. If Zion continues to stay healthy, and perform well especially in playoffs while BI fades a bit in the background- it’ll be really interesting to see what Griff does. My hope is Zion takes over this team and it makes Griff’s decision much easier moving forward. But if BI goes crazy in the playoffs and Zion struggles- this will tempt Griff to go all in on BI.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:08 am to shel311
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We can't underestimate just how much Griff loves BI, to a fault, irrationally even.
I feel a lot of this goes back to the AD trade. He’s trying to prove with BI he got the better star and at times is forcing BI to become that. With AD winning a chip with the lakers- its almost as though Griff wants to show everyone how BI was the real star of that trade.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:08 am to Pels_Yaz
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But if BI goes crazy in the playoffs and Zion struggles- this will tempt Griff to go all in on BI
So if he is exceptional in the playoffs, thats not what the Pels want?
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:09 am to ghost2most
quote:I'm obviously on the trade BI bandwagon, but if we can separate a good bit from that 7th seed/play in, I'd probably be ok with letting it play out and see what the postseason brings.
I think you play it out and if he comes through in thr playoffs then you consider an extension. If not, move on.
1st round loss, then it seems obvious a shakeup is needed and BI should be the guy on the block IMO.
If we make a serious type of run and this would all assume BI is playing well the rest of the season and into the playoffs, you might be able to talk me into wanting to keep BI and improving elsewhere. I just don't expect that to happen.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:10 am to ghost2most
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The easiest solution to the cap is to trade Ingram
Man this was my original thought but I honestly would rather blow it the frick up.
If we get a first round exit and neither guy shows up then why not unload both BI and Zion? We can get back several players and draft picks.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:14 am to Pistol44
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So if he is exceptional in the playoffs, thats not what the Pels want?
Playoffs show a lot. If we’re watching the games and we can easily tell Zion is the best player on this team- I think this hurts Ingram on his long term deal but if its clearly shown this is BI team and hes the best player- hes getting the bag.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:19 am to Dantheman504
BI is a top 30-40 player in the league. He's made 1 all-star game and has never even been close to an All-NBA team.
Look at Dejounte Murray, he's a player thats around BI's tier. BI is better but not that much better. Both have 1 all star team, and Murray even has an All-Defense team on his resume.
Murray just signed a 4 year extension for ~28m/yr.
There just no way in hell BI should be getting paid twice as much.
I'd offer BI a 35m/yr extension. If he doesn't take it, which he wouldn't then im trading him. I'm not that worried about losing a guy that's frankly not an all-star caliber player
Look at Dejounte Murray, he's a player thats around BI's tier. BI is better but not that much better. Both have 1 all star team, and Murray even has an All-Defense team on his resume.
Murray just signed a 4 year extension for ~28m/yr.
There just no way in hell BI should be getting paid twice as much.
I'd offer BI a 35m/yr extension. If he doesn't take it, which he wouldn't then im trading him. I'm not that worried about losing a guy that's frankly not an all-star caliber player
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:20 am to Dantheman504
quote:
n 3 years you could easily say:
Zion: 40mil
BI: 50mil
Trey: 30mil
CJ: 30mil
Herb: 14mil
I would agree.
quote:
his is our current salary in 3 years with Hawk/ Dyson on rookie contracts.
Current tax line is 165mil and that is 164mil
and the nba is about to sign a massive new tv deal.
The cap is projected to be $185M in 3 years, if not more.
The tax line will be about $220M in 3 years, and continue to climb.
Get your panties out your vagina. It'll be alright.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:23 am to TeddyPadillac
No one has yet to answer the question i've asked.
what is the current problem with what we have at the 5?
Of course everyone can be upgraded, and Allen is definitely an upgrade, but what is the actual issue we have that we desperately need to upgrade the 5 right now?
what is the current problem with what we have at the 5?
Of course everyone can be upgraded, and Allen is definitely an upgrade, but what is the actual issue we have that we desperately need to upgrade the 5 right now?
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:25 am to TeddyPadillac
For reference...Spotrack projections for 3 seasons from now, 2026-2027:
Salary cap: $171 mil
Luxury tax line: $208 mil
Salary cap: $171 mil
Luxury tax line: $208 mil
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:26 am to TeddyPadillac
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Of course everyone can be upgraded, and Allen is definitely an upgrade, but what is the actual issue we have that we desperately need to upgrade the 5 right now?
I don’t think there is any desperate issue. It would be nice to have a shot blocker and a bigger athletic versatile big. Nance fills that role decently but sometimes hes a bit small. Again these aren’t desperate needs at all.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:27 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:I love Val, but he'd be the weak link in a playoff series where teams amp up hunting the mismatch.
what is the current problem with what we have at the 5?
Of course everyone can be upgraded, and Allen is definitely an upgrade, but what is the actual issue we have that we desperately need to upgrade the 5 right now?
He'd be put in pick and rolls relentlessly. Any deficiencies he has now would be amplified in a playoff series with his slowness.
Not saying it's time right now to panic and we have to trade him no matter what. But I do think that's more than likely a big weak link in our defense in a playoff series.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:27 am to TeddyPadillac
So 164mil + (15mil Dyson) + (20mil Hawk) = 199mil
So we would be at 199mil with 7 players.
That leave 20 mil from the tax with 6 roster spots and a starting center.
If 4 players are minimum (4•1.75mil) = 7mil
If 2 are first round picks (2•4mil) = 8mil
That leaves you 5mil for a starting center WITHOUT going in the tax. And that’s with only 2 mid/ late rd firsts and 6 minimum contracts….
I don’t have a vagina, you just aren’t very smart or can’t process this info.
So we would be at 199mil with 7 players.
That leave 20 mil from the tax with 6 roster spots and a starting center.
If 4 players are minimum (4•1.75mil) = 7mil
If 2 are first round picks (2•4mil) = 8mil
That leaves you 5mil for a starting center WITHOUT going in the tax. And that’s with only 2 mid/ late rd firsts and 6 minimum contracts….
I don’t have a vagina, you just aren’t very smart or can’t process this info.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 10:28 am
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:28 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
No one has yet to answer the question i've asked.
what is the current problem with what we have at the 5?
Of course everyone can be upgraded, and Allen is definitely an upgrade, but what is the actual issue we have that we desperately need to upgrade the 5 right now?
Jonas is a very poor rim protector and slow footed on the perimeter. Then when we switch to Larry for defensive purposes we are small in the front court and can get outrebounded.
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