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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:07 am to Balsamic_duck
I hate this answer. Do teams want to usually move their good players?
Very rarely now do good players get traded just because of “fit”. It’s either because they request out or the team gets a good enough offer.
The “intention” of moving him is the offer that’s sent. I’m sick of chasing players that want out or are on the block because of a specific reason.
Let’s actually make a trade for someone who is wanted by several teams.
Very rarely now do good players get traded just because of “fit”. It’s either because they request out or the team gets a good enough offer.
The “intention” of moving him is the offer that’s sent. I’m sick of chasing players that want out or are on the block because of a specific reason.
Let’s actually make a trade for someone who is wanted by several teams.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:11 am to Dantheman504
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But not doing it for “an extra year of someone not in our long term plans” is a little shortsighted.
I think it's shortsighted to trade for Jarrett Allen right now as opposed to waiting to see what we do in the playoffs.
It's important to have guys like Jose on your team. He is loved by everyone, and isn't goign to cost much to be our backup PG for the next 3-4 years.
We have too many assets to give up somethign we don't need to in order to make a trade. I'm not giving up Jose just to get Allen. They can have a lottery protected 1st round pick instead. If they think Jose is so important to be in the deal, then maybe they shoudl be the ones giving us picks back in the deal.
I"m just not interested in $20M/yr Jarrett Allen. I think he'd be a good player for us, but i just don't think we need to pay that much for what he does, especially considering Larry is still goign to be the guy closing games for us more often than not.
I know all the players understand it's a business, but if we trade someone away it's going to hurt, whether it's JV, Naji, or Jose. And i'm not saying you can't trade someone just b/c you don't want to disrupt the team chemistry, but it's got to make the team significantly better if you do it, such as trading Hart for CJ.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:14 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Not if we got Allen, Nance wouldn't be the regular closer.
especially considering Larry is still goign to be the guy closing games for us more often than not.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:23 am to shel311
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Not if we got Allen, Nance wouldn't be the regular closer.
Larry is shooting 47% from 3 right now. He's just as much a lob threat as Allen, and our DRtg is 5.5 points higher with him on the court than off.
He's closing games for us regardless of who the other center on the team is.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:29 am to TeddyPadillac
He just may do that. At the 4, if we get Allen.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:30 am to TeddyPadillac
Zero chance Nance closes games if Allen is on this roster.
Jarrett Allen made a freaking All Star game, but you're treating him like he's backup center.
Allen is good. He's better than Val. He's better than Nance. He's better than Herb.
He'd inarguably close games over Nance, that's not even a discussion worthy of having.
Jarrett Allen made a freaking All Star game, but you're treating him like he's backup center.
Allen is good. He's better than Val. He's better than Nance. He's better than Herb.
He'd inarguably close games over Nance, that's not even a discussion worthy of having.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:36 am to shel311
I agree the Jarett Allen slander needs to stop. Dude will make All Star team this year.
He would be an immediate upgrade. I just wish it took JV/Dyson and 2 FRP
He would be an immediate upgrade. I just wish it took JV/Dyson and 2 FRP
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:37 am to TeddyPadillac
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It's important to have guys like Jose on your team. He is loved by everyone, and isn't goign to cost much to be our backup PG for the next 3-4 years.
“won’t cost much” meaning what? We are legit at the tax or above the tax with extending Trey and BI. That’s NOT including Hawk/ Dyson. Did you just ignore that whole statement? Whatever we offer Jose you have to at least double it. So if we pay him 10mil we are closer to 20-25mil in the tax.
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We have too many assets to give up somethign we don't need to in order to make a trade. I'm not giving up Jose just to get Allen. They can have a lottery protected 1st round pick instead.
So we don’t need a rim protecting center who could be a long term piece but we do need a backup PG that already isn’t getting minutes?
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If they think Jose is so important to be in the deal, then maybe they shoudl be the ones giving us picks back in the deal
This is super dramatic. Teams sustain through building a roster and drafting cheap players to make it work. You can’t keep everyone man.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 9:39 am
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:39 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Right
I agree the Jarett Allen slander needs to stop. Dude will make All Star team this year.
He would be an immediate upgrade. I just wish it took JV/Dyson and 2 FRP
We're here talking about Nance closing games over Allen which is crazy.
Meanwhile, what's really happening is Allen is playing so well, we're probably in a world now where there's no shot to get Allen for Dyson and picks and can only get him for Herb, and Herb is playing so well, it just makes a deal unlikely at this point.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:39 am to shel311
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Jarrett Allen made a freaking All Star game, but you're treating him like he's backup center.
he was a third replacement choice. BFD. D'Angelo Russell made an all star team once too.
I"m not saying he isn't good. He's obviously a really good player, and I've always like him b/c i know exactly what i'm going to get from Allen every game, and that's 100% effort 100% of the time.
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He's better than Herb
He is not. A shut down perimeter defender who shoots 40% from 3 is more valuable than a non-offensive center.
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He's better than Val. He's better than Nance.
I agree.
Doesn't mean I'd rather him on the court in the last possession of a 2 point game over another center than can knock down an open 3 and play just as good of defense when they are inevitably switched on to a perimeter player.
Larry has been the perfect 5 next to Zion. That isn't changing.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:41 am to Dantheman504
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“won’t cost much” meaning what? We are legit at the tax or above the tax with extending Trey and BI. That’s NOT including Hawk/ Dyson. Did you just ignore that whole statement? Whatever we offer Jose you have to at least double it. So if we pay him 10mil we are closer to 20-25mil in the tax.
the tax line is increasing by a good bit, and so what if we are a tax team in 2-3 years.
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So we don’t need a rim protecting center who could be a long term piece but we do need a backup PG that already isn’t getting minutes?
Do we have a current problem with our centers?
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:43 am to TeddyPadillac
JA is better in every category than Larry except 3 pt shooting.
Rebounding won’t be an issue with him around.
Rebounding won’t be an issue with him around.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:44 am to TeddyPadillac
We have a cap problem on the horizon.
Mainly just BI’s request for 40M a year.
Mainly just BI’s request for 40M a year.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:44 am to TeddyPadillac
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the tax line is increasing by a good bit, and so what if we are a tax team in 2-3 years
I’d love to play a game of “let’s create something that doesn’t exist to support an argument” but no that’s not possible hahahaha.
BI is about to get 20-30mil
Trey is about to get 20-30mil
Even if Hawk/ Dyson get 10-15 each that’s another 20-30mil if we are lucky.
So yeah man I too would love the tax to increase 150 mil in the next 2 years.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:47 am to Dantheman504
BI getting 20-30? try 40.
try 40.Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:49 am to 50_Tiger
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JA is better in every category than Larry except 3 pt shooting.
I agree.
3 point shooting is kind of important.
do you have a problem with Larry's defense late in games?
What is the problem we are trying to fix at the 5?
Why don't we trade Trey for Jerami Grant. Grant is better than him at everything.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:53 am to supe12sta12z
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BI getting 20-30? try 40.
max extension for BI is 4/$221, so try again.
and who gives a shite if we are a tax team. What championship team isn't a tax team?
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:54 am to Dantheman504
In 3 years you could easily say:
Zion: 40mil
BI: 50mil
Trey: 30mil
CJ: 30mil
Herb: 14mil
This is our current salary in 3 years with Hawk/ Dyson on rookie contracts.
Current tax line is 165mil and that is 164mil
So add in 8 roster spots (1 being a starting center) +
Hawk: 20mil
Dyson: 15mil
We may be over the tax without the other 8 players and one of them would need to be a starting center. We get rid of CJ? Ok that covers just about everything to be right at or over the tax.
Zion: 40mil
BI: 50mil
Trey: 30mil
CJ: 30mil
Herb: 14mil
This is our current salary in 3 years with Hawk/ Dyson on rookie contracts.
Current tax line is 165mil and that is 164mil
So add in 8 roster spots (1 being a starting center) +
Hawk: 20mil
Dyson: 15mil
We may be over the tax without the other 8 players and one of them would need to be a starting center. We get rid of CJ? Ok that covers just about everything to be right at or over the tax.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:55 am to TeddyPadillac
He's not a supermax player. Sorry. He's going to get somewhere in the neighborhood of 40. And if you absolutely think he's getting 50, it's not going to be from the Pelicans.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 9:57 am
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