re: Pelicans Trade Rumors and Chatter

Defensive range. JV works because Nance balances him out. Nance has to stay healthy for it to be viable. Trading for a guy like Allen just means you're trading skillets. Not sure if it makes us head and shoulders better but it's one of those things that looks good on paper.

What is the “Goldilocks zone” where we have a starting center who isn’t a liability in some fashion?

Because it sounds like it would be a unicorn requiring a huge contract, meaning we jettison someone like CJ to pay for them.

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I love Val, but he'd be the weak link in a playoff series where teams amp up hunting the mismatch.

He'd be put in pick and rolls relentlessly. Any deficiencies he has now would be amplified in a playoff series with his slowness.

Not saying it's time right now to panic and we have to trade him no matter what. But I do think that's more than likely a big weak link in our defense in a playoff series.

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Yep, just look at the playoffs against phoenix. Chris Paul absolutely torched JV in the PnR. It was ugly.

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o 164mil + (15mil Dyson) + (20mil Hawk) = 199mil

So we would be at 199mil with 7 players.

That leave 20 mil from the tax with 6 roster spots and a starting center.

If 4 players are minimum (4•1.75mil) = 7mil

If 2 are first round picks (2•4mil) = 8mil

That leaves you 5mil for a starting center WITHOUT going in the tax. And that’s with only 2 mid/ late rd firsts and 6 minimum contracts….

I don’t have a vagina, you just aren’t very smart or can’t process this info.

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in the words of Shell "it ain't my money".

Why do you care if we are a tax team?


and just stop doing math on something 3-4 years out. This team will without a doubt look different in 4 years. The odds of BI and Zion both being here are probably less than 50%.

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Oh and that’s without this imaginary cheap contract for Jose that we can’t afford.

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I mean Jose is a fan favorite and everything but if he's out of the rotation then he wont be getting an extension unless its at or near the minimum. You don't extend a guy that you dont even play

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and just stop doing math on something 3-4 years out. This team will without a doubt look different in 4 years. The odds of BI and Zion both being here are probably less than 50%.

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Yea, the odds that Zion/Bi/Herb/Trey/Dyson/Hawk are all on this team 3 yers from now, I'd guess would be 5%, if that.


In fact, if they are, that would be the best thing ever, because that would mean we are winning titles or legit coming close. IF we're not coming close, we darn sure better be moving some of those pieces.

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in the words of Shell "it ain't my money".

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Atta boy!

I just hate that we almost have to have 2 streams of thought: 1 on what we should or want to do, and a 2nd on what we probably will have to consider based on our proclivity to avoid the tax.

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in the words of Shell "it ain't my money".

Why do you care if we are a tax team?


and just stop doing math on something 3-4 years out. This team will without a doubt look different in 4 years. The odds of BI and Zion both being here are probably less than 50%.

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I dont think anyone cares about being a tax team but until Gayle actually does it, we should assume we wont

Fair enough I trust those guys.

Here is the cap situation over the next 5 years.



You have to either extend or trade JV.

If someone like Allen comes along thats 20M per year until 2025-26.

IF you pay BI, you are looking at 40-50M starting the moment next season ends.

Trey will get somewhere around 5/150 or an additional 30M a year which starts at the same time of BI's new deal.

2025-26 Season already has 98.8M on the books for 6 players ( ). When you factor in the above:

20 + 30 + 50 = 100M in new contracts.

We now have 198.8M in contracts for 9 players and still need to pay for other roles who quite frankly are not gonna take 2M a year

Trading BI opens you up to being more flexible during the 3 year championship window.

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Yep, just look at the playoffs against phoenix. Chris Paul absolutely torched JV in the PnR. It was ugly.

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oh no. one of the best PG's of all time made a big center look silly.
CP3 also did that to Jokic the year before, averaging 25 and 10 on 63% shooting in a sweep.

I agree JV isnt' the best defender, and i don't think he can be out there against starting PG's like that in the playoffs, but that doesn't mean he still can't be a playoff contributor in another role.
But you also can't ignore the fact that our DRtg has been elite the last 2 years, although that means nothign if it doens't translate to the playoffs.
Jarrett Allen has played in 14 playoff games. He's posted a negative +/- in 10 of them.
His last 3 games in the playoff last year against the Knicks he grabbed 5, 4 and 4 rebounds, playing 36 minutes + in each game.

There is no 5 we are going to get that can do it all. It will always be a committee approach. I just don't see the vast upgrade Allen gives us over Larry late in games.

I'm also not trying to say we need to keep JV. I do think he needs to be upgraded. I'd just prefer to upgrade that position with a younger player on a rookie deal, not someone making $20M that makes us marginally better at best.

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I'd just prefer to upgrade that position with a younger player on a rookie deal, not someone making $20M that makes us marginally better at best.

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Hence our interest in Gafford, who has two years left on his deal after this one.