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re: Pelicans Trade Rumors and Chatter
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:01 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:01 am to GOP_Tiger
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According to Cleaning the Glass, we are at negative 1.8 points per 100 possessions with our starting five.
If you think that a team with a negative starting unit is a title contender, then I don't know what to tell you.
I was looking at the NetRatings of the roster today and of our regular players, Zion and BI have the lowest NetRtg. That's just absurd. I've always been against JV trades mostly for acquisition cost reasons, but if overpaying for a JV side-grade lets the Pels stars start playing like stars and everyone else can keep their level of play, it's worth burning a few extra picks.
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:11 am to TigerinATL
I mean there’s an easy fix and its on our roster but Willie will never do it. Insert Trey as a starter, take out Herb, still play Herb a lot of minutes but your starting lineup will improve.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:17 am to TigerinATL
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I was looking at the NetRatings of the roster today and of our regular players, Zion and BI have the lowest NetRtg. That's just absurd. I've always been against JV trades mostly for acquisition cost reasons, but if overpaying for a JV side-grade lets the Pels stars start playing like stars and everyone else can keep their level of play, it's worth burning a few extra picks.
The starting unit net rating is a terrible sign for the playoffs. Rotations shrink and starters play more minutes. So we are gonna end up playing more minutes with one of our worst lineups
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:23 am to Balsamic_duck
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So we are gonna end up playing more minutes with one of our worst lineups
Why are our lineups with Zion and BI such a problem with net ratings?
Bad defense? Shot selection? Poor spacing?
The rating being bad doesn’t mean a whole hell of a lot without knowing WHY it is bad and if it is something that can be fixed without changing personnel.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:26 am to teke184
I’m almost positive its bad spacing. Herb has been great shooting the ball but hes still not seen as a shooting threat. CJ is the only threat which makes spacing difficult.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:29 am to teke184
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Bad defense? Shot selection? Poor spacing?
Yes. Definitely the last two. Not sure how the defense compares to other units.
There's way more "you go, I go" on offense when BI and Zion are out there together instead of running an actual offense.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:33 am to SLafourche07
Shot selection can be fixed by coaching / play calling.
Spacing? A lineup change would be required.
Maybe we can put Trey out as a starter and make CJ or Herb the sixth man.
Spacing? A lineup change would be required.
Maybe we can put Trey out as a starter and make CJ or Herb the sixth man.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:35 am to teke184
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Maybe we can put Trey out as a starter and make CJ or Herb the sixth man.
Thats the solution. Willie will never go for it. Its him conceding offense is better than defense especially if you switch out Herb for Trey.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:36 am to teke184
quote:It's not, Zion/BI are +3.4 together. You'd like for it to be higher, but the 2 on court together hasn't been a huge problem. It's the starting lineup specifically.
Why are our lineups with Zion and BI such a problem with net ratings?
For the record, I'm on the "Start Trey" bandwagon, but I truly think the bad starting lineup is some kind of function of randomness, I'm not terribly worried about it.
A couple of tidbits on that:
- The starting lineup has been much better as of late. Probably not even 2 weeks ago, they were a -5 Net Rating, and now it's -0.9. Obviously that's bad, but it does mean it's been a big positive as of late to erase most of the -5 and get nearly even.
- Our 2nd most played 5 man lineup is the starting lineup minus CJ/Plus Daniels. And that lineup has a +20 Net Rating. Pursuant to my point about randomness, does anyone truly believe our starting lineup would be better if we took out CJ and added Dyson? I highly doubt it.
quote:The best I can tell with that 5 man lineup, it seems lack of 3pt attempts are the biggest issue. Not 3pt%, that is fine. But we're lacking big time in attempts, which likely results in spacing issues.
The rating being bad doesn’t mean a whole hell of a lot without knowing WHY it is bad and if it is something that can be fixed without changing personnel.
The rest of the data mostly favors us or is pretty even if I'm looking at it correctly.
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 11:38 am
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:50 am to teke184
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Shot selection can be fixed by coaching / play calling.
They’ve trying to get BI to take more 3s for years and he refuses. That’s on him
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:57 am to TigerinATL
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I've always been against JV trades mostly for acquisition cost reasons, but if overpaying for a JV side-grade lets the Pels stars start playing like stars and everyone else can keep their level of play, it's worth burning a few extra picks.
If we are talking fit, then stretching the floor and defensive rebounding might be just as important to fitting with this team as rim-protection. Im just not sure who that player really is that is also reasonably available.
Do we feel confident in teaching guys like Kessler, Claxton, or Sharpe to shoot?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:01 pm to Baron
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Do we feel confident in teaching guys like Kessler, Claxton, or Sharpe to shoot?
I'm not the least bit worried about finding a stretch 5. KAT is the only center that would have perimeter gravity like that. Think back to last December when Zion was steamrolling teams with Jose and Larry as his partners in crime most nights. Larry was getting a ton of points just being a garbage man and being ready in the dunker's spot.
Look for a defensive center that rebounds well and has good hands that can finish. Don't try to get a Unicorn to stretch the floor for Zion.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:14 pm to teke184
quote:Trey in for CJ doesn't change spacing, but yes, Trey for Herb is the play we need to make.
Spacing? A lineup change would be required.
Maybe we can put Trey out as a starter and make CJ or Herb the sixth man.
quote:Somewhat, but a lot of it is on the players as well.
Shot selection can be fixed by coaching / play calling.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:17 pm to Baron
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If we are talking fit, then stretching the floor and defensive rebounding might be just as important to fitting with this team as rim-protection. Im just not sure who that player really is that is also reasonably available.
I mean statistically it doesn't get much better than JV if you just want shooting and rebounding. The number of centers that shoot 3s is extremely small.
JV is 13th in 3PA/gm among centers and everyone above him is either unavailable or a downgrade from JV
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:21 pm to TigerinATL
Im not saying we need KAT like shooting, but still think with the way the game is evolving I think we’ll need someone who shoots a little. Those guys all put up less than 1 3pa per 36. Getting it up to something close to 2.4 like JV would be ideal.
Since we clearly do better playing this switching D with Nance, we may be better served just trying to replicate Nance’s minutes by getting someone who is switchable and can stretch the floor a little, but isn’t a traditional “rim-protector”. Do we have a better chance of keeping Jonathan Issac healthy or teaching Kessler how to make more than 50% of his FTA?
Since we clearly do better playing this switching D with Nance, we may be better served just trying to replicate Nance’s minutes by getting someone who is switchable and can stretch the floor a little, but isn’t a traditional “rim-protector”. Do we have a better chance of keeping Jonathan Issac healthy or teaching Kessler how to make more than 50% of his FTA?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:27 pm to Balsamic_duck
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I mean statistically it doesn't get much better than JV if you just want shooting and rebounding. The number of centers that shoot 3s is extremely small.
JV is 13th in 3PA/gm among centers and everyone above him is either unavailable or a downgrade from JV
That’s my point. Everyone agrees that the most obvious move to improve this team is to upgrade JV, but not a lot of names get brought up. It’s obviously not that easy finding that player and I’m starting to wonder if our fix at the 5 is even in the league yet.
Do we have the scientific capabilities to clone or de-age Brooke Lopez?
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 1/17/24 at 12:27 pm to Baron
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Im not saying we need KAT like shooting, but still think with the way the game is evolving I think we’ll need someone who shoots a little. Those guys all put up less than 1 3pa per 36. Getting it up to something close to 2.4 like JV would be ideal.
Since we clearly do better playing this switching D with Nance, we may be better served just trying to replicate Nance’s minutes by getting someone who is switchable and can stretch the floor a little, but isn’t a traditional “rim-protector”. Do we have a better chance of keeping Jonathan Issac healthy or teaching Kessler how to make more than 50% of his FTA?
This is one of the reasons i really want Okongwu. He's young, has a good shooting form and has increased his FT% every year. This is the first year he's attempted any meaningful number of 3s and is shooting 29% on 1.2 attempts per game. I know that sounds bad but considering this is the first time he's really attempted them i think its actually a promising start. I think he'll develop a decent 3 ball.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:19 pm to Balsamic_duck
kira to toronto
had to send a 2nd rounder to get rid of him if i read it right
had to send a 2nd rounder to get rid of him if i read it right
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 8:44 am to jprdbulldog20
What’s thoughts on Dejounte Murray?
We need to shake things up a little bit, and Murray could be a primary ball handler while still giving an elite level defender in the starting 5.
Trading Herb (it would hurt) for Murray puts us back into the tax, but it maybe a move that would be worth it.
Or, a trade that would work salary wise even though he has a poison pill contract and still keep us out of the tax would be Herb and JV for Murray and Okongwu.
We need to shake things up a little bit, and Murray could be a primary ball handler while still giving an elite level defender in the starting 5.
Trading Herb (it would hurt) for Murray puts us back into the tax, but it maybe a move that would be worth it.
Or, a trade that would work salary wise even though he has a poison pill contract and still keep us out of the tax would be Herb and JV for Murray and Okongwu.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 8:48 am
Posted on 1/20/24 at 8:47 am to Soggymoss
I've thought about it.
But no.
1. Klutch
2. His d has been terrible this year. Why?
3. Character issues which goes right along with No. 1
If not for that something like BI and Dyson for Murray and Okungwu might make sense.
But no.
1. Klutch
2. His d has been terrible this year. Why?
3. Character issues which goes right along with No. 1
If not for that something like BI and Dyson for Murray and Okungwu might make sense.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 8:50 am
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