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re: Pelicans get the 10th pick.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:03 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:03 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Agree. No need to force a trade. Let's just hope he thinks the same.
He definitely can. We don't really NEED to start making deals until next season when our warchest starts to become due.
But I'm quite sure Griffin does not want to go into next season with a mostly similar team plus a rookie.
He's going to want to make some pretty big changes.
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Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:21 pm to Chalkywhite84
I really like Moses Moody. I'd pick him. I think he has a ceiling of Kris Middleton, and at worst, will be a decent 3&D wing.
i'd bet money the Spurs will take him at 12 if we don't, and that's assuming he doesn't go before 10.
If Moody isn't there at 10, i'd like to try to trade down to around 18-21 and take a chance on someone like Tre Mann.
Maybe Atlanta wants to move up and we can get Huerter or Reddish and 19.
Maybe move down to 18 where OKC is and dump Bledsoe in the process.
Bouknight is my favorite guy after Moody.
I think he's got high ceiling potential.
i'd bet money the Spurs will take him at 12 if we don't, and that's assuming he doesn't go before 10.
If Moody isn't there at 10, i'd like to try to trade down to around 18-21 and take a chance on someone like Tre Mann.
Maybe Atlanta wants to move up and we can get Huerter or Reddish and 19.
Maybe move down to 18 where OKC is and dump Bledsoe in the process.
Bouknight is my favorite guy after Moody.
I think he's got high ceiling potential.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
I really like Moses Moody. I'd pick him. I think he has a ceiling of Kris Middleton, and at worst, will be a decent 3&D wing.
i'd bet money the Spurs will take him at 12 if we don't, and that's assuming he doesn't go before 10.
Moody's not even listed in the new Athletic mock draft covering only the lottery teams (top 14).
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:45 pm to Mickey Goldmill
there's tons of nba mock drafts out there. The Athletic isn't the end all be all.
Here's the top 20 picks, and on the side is the position they appeared at most often among mocks from 10 major sites.
1. Edwards - 3
2. Wiseman - 2
3. Lamelo - 1
4. Williams - 11
5. Okoro - 10
6. Okungwu - 9
7. Hayes - 7
8. Toppin - 5
9. Deni - 4
10. Smith - 20
11. Vassell - 12
12. Haliburton - 6
13. Kira - 15
14. Nesmith - 13
15. Anthony - 14
16. Stewart - outside top 20
17. Poku - 19
18. Green - outside top 20
19. Saddiq - outside top 20
20. Precious - 16
no one knows who's taking who after the first 2-3 picks. Teams aren't telling anyone anything, and if they are, it's probably a lie.
The media are morons, and have other agendas outside of getting it right.
Here's the top 20 picks, and on the side is the position they appeared at most often among mocks from 10 major sites.
1. Edwards - 3
2. Wiseman - 2
3. Lamelo - 1
4. Williams - 11
5. Okoro - 10
6. Okungwu - 9
7. Hayes - 7
8. Toppin - 5
9. Deni - 4
10. Smith - 20
11. Vassell - 12
12. Haliburton - 6
13. Kira - 15
14. Nesmith - 13
15. Anthony - 14
16. Stewart - outside top 20
17. Poku - 19
18. Green - outside top 20
19. Saddiq - outside top 20
20. Precious - 16
no one knows who's taking who after the first 2-3 picks. Teams aren't telling anyone anything, and if they are, it's probably a lie.
The media are morons, and have other agendas outside of getting it right.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:15 pm to Fun Bunch
I was just telling a buddy of mine there's no way that we are getting a top 3 or 5 pick anytime soon. The NBA is fixed. When Benson bought the team do you think it was magic that the Pelicans got the 1st pick? Then when the AD saga played out with leQueen tampering the Pelicans get the 1st pick again.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 6:27 pm to uptowntiger84
Pels should look to move up into 4-7.
Or draft board has your realistic Top 5 and 1 of them falls to you, then draft.
If neither occurs, look to trade pick with a pre-draft trade in place with potential teams where you agreed to draft who that team would want at that spot in exchange for what is hopefully a trade that optically and actually benefits Pels on draft night and puts them closer to Championship contender status.
If they dont like any prospects projected at that spot, then best case is to package it to move Bledsoe's contract or trade down and pick up assests to STILL move Bledsoe. But, by any means get Bledsoe off this roster!
Or draft board has your realistic Top 5 and 1 of them falls to you, then draft.
If neither occurs, look to trade pick with a pre-draft trade in place with potential teams where you agreed to draft who that team would want at that spot in exchange for what is hopefully a trade that optically and actually benefits Pels on draft night and puts them closer to Championship contender status.
If they dont like any prospects projected at that spot, then best case is to package it to move Bledsoe's contract or trade down and pick up assests to STILL move Bledsoe. But, by any means get Bledsoe off this roster!
Posted on 6/23/21 at 9:18 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
There just aren't as many teams willing to bottom out so there are fewer good win now trades available.
Exactly why I said good luck trading the pick on the first page. I think we still do better making the pick. Especially if it’s Moody or Mitchell.
I think our best bet is to trade bad contracts with another team for a player that is a better fit and include a future first if we have to.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 9:53 pm to Townedrunkard
Just spitballing here . . .
There has been plenty of talk of trading back and then trading those for future first. I understand this thought process but also firmly believe there has to be a true sense of urgency this summer . Is there an opportunity to potentially trade up?
For instance a deal with Cavs to take on Love and pick 3 for pick 10, salary, and a late future 1st? The Cavs won’t otherwise ever get a positive asset for Love . If you put that on the table do they bite ?
Now you have pick 3 and remaining war chest to deal for a higher end player.
Obviously you don’t do the deal with the Cavs without having some sort of agreement in place for a trade with that 3rd pick .
Thoughts ?
There has been plenty of talk of trading back and then trading those for future first. I understand this thought process but also firmly believe there has to be a true sense of urgency this summer . Is there an opportunity to potentially trade up?
For instance a deal with Cavs to take on Love and pick 3 for pick 10, salary, and a late future 1st? The Cavs won’t otherwise ever get a positive asset for Love . If you put that on the table do they bite ?
Now you have pick 3 and remaining war chest to deal for a higher end player.
Obviously you don’t do the deal with the Cavs without having some sort of agreement in place for a trade with that 3rd pick .
Thoughts ?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 10:00 pm to AboveTheRim
quote:
For instance a deal with Cavs to take on Love and pick 3 for pick 10, salary, and a late future 1st? The Cavs won’t otherwise ever get a positive asset for Love . If you put that on the table do they bite ?
I don’t think they care about Love’s salary, they aren’t in a hurry to win. They’d be dumb to trade down.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 10:23 pm to Epic Cajun
Yea they gonna want to use that #3 pick in a 4-5 player draft. I’m sure they would trade Love but it’ll be for another bad contract. Maybe a younger player on a bad contract.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 10:36 pm to Townedrunkard
May very well be right but I think you underestimate what having love on the books means , especially with Sexton contract coming up .
For them to be able to get off of that without giving up a pick or a guy like Nance would help . Now they have can use Nance as an actual asset instead of an enticement to eat loves deal along with another draft pick and 10 in this draft .
Is that really enough to warrant a trade involving 3rd pick ? I think no is a fair response but I think it’s a fair consideration.
For them to be able to get off of that without giving up a pick or a guy like Nance would help . Now they have can use Nance as an actual asset instead of an enticement to eat loves deal along with another draft pick and 10 in this draft .
Is that really enough to warrant a trade involving 3rd pick ? I think no is a fair response but I think it’s a fair consideration.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 10:41 pm to Epic Cajun
My overall thought process is coming from a place of , can griff really afford to kick that can down the road ? What if there isn’t a deal to be made at the deadline ? The play in has made for less sellers .
If Zion/family complaint is the roster around Zion isn’t good enough , is going into the season With just minor upgrades a recipe for disaster ?
If Zion/family complaint is the roster around Zion isn’t good enough , is going into the season With just minor upgrades a recipe for disaster ?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 10:48 pm to AboveTheRim
quote:What is the benefit if the team knows it won't compete the next 2-3 years?
May very well be right but I think you underestimate what having love on the books means
quote:Didn't your scenario have them giving up #3 overall?
For them to be able to get off of that without giving up a pick
Posted on 6/23/21 at 10:54 pm to shel311
Moving back from 3 to 10 and getting back a future 1st .
Posted on 6/23/21 at 11:09 pm to AboveTheRim
quote:
Moving back from 3 to 10 and getting back a future 1st .
Jumping into the top tier of the draft almost never happens because it's too expensive. Swapping this year's pick plus a future 1st to move up is the cost when you're falling back 1 or 2 spots and the team you're trading with still thinks they can get their preferred player. Trying to trade 10 for 3 is like trying to trade an ok starter for an All Star.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 11:19 pm to AboveTheRim
Can I perhaps interest you in my proposed trade yesterday of
Ingram
for Sexton, Love and 3
Sexton and 3 would be a haul for Ingram, but taking back Love somewhat offsets that.
Why the Cavs do it? Cavs arguably get the best player in the deal and he’s locked up for 4 years.
Why the Pels do it? We get a player that’s close to Ingram’s talent, in Sexton, the best asset, in pick 3, and a shitty contract, but good roster fit in Love. And maybe we can even redirect pick 3 and Love for another max level player, like a KAT. Send Love back Home to Minny. Minny might just want to go all in on youth. Imagine a Big young explosive 2 of Jalen Green and Ant Edwards for the next 7 years.
As for the Pelicans, Now you have a Big 3 that actually fits seamlessly together from an offensive standpoint.
Sexton
Zion
KAT
Once you have these 3 in place, you just fill out the right role players around them. Some of which we already have in NAW, JAX and Naji.
Ingram
for Sexton, Love and 3
Sexton and 3 would be a haul for Ingram, but taking back Love somewhat offsets that.
Why the Cavs do it? Cavs arguably get the best player in the deal and he’s locked up for 4 years.
Why the Pels do it? We get a player that’s close to Ingram’s talent, in Sexton, the best asset, in pick 3, and a shitty contract, but good roster fit in Love. And maybe we can even redirect pick 3 and Love for another max level player, like a KAT. Send Love back Home to Minny. Minny might just want to go all in on youth. Imagine a Big young explosive 2 of Jalen Green and Ant Edwards for the next 7 years.
As for the Pelicans, Now you have a Big 3 that actually fits seamlessly together from an offensive standpoint.
Sexton
Zion
KAT
Once you have these 3 in place, you just fill out the right role players around them. Some of which we already have in NAW, JAX and Naji.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 6/24/21 at 8:25 am to AboveTheRim
quote:I think the thought process about Griff needing to make moves, regardless if they are "good" value is on point, but I don't think that the Cleveland trade that you proposed is one that would happen. I Cleveland would be more apt to trading Sexton for assets, than using assets to move off of Love.
My overall thought process is coming from a place of , can griff really afford to kick that can down the road ? What if there isn’t a deal to be made at the deadline ? The play in has made for less sellers .
Posted on 6/24/21 at 8:28 am to 3PieceSpicy
I might be alone in this, but i don't want KAT.
I know he's a good player, but i just think it's dumb to invest a ton of money down low. You'd have two max players in a few years that play the 4 and the 5, and that's just not a recipe for winning championships.
And i'm not interested in trading Ingram. Fix the roster, and i'm pretty sure he will look much better. He played all year taking the kind of shots you've been seeing guys like him have to take in the playoffs, tough and contested jumpers b/c there's no where else to go. AD said it all year about how difficult it was for BI to score. Improve the roster and make scoring easier for him. We have to find a 1 or a 2 that can be the lead guard and get his own shot, or easily create for others. That is the most important piece that needs to be added to this team. everyone else is just a role player.
I don't think Cleveland is interested in giving up the #3 pick. They aren't trading that pick just to move Love. That would be stupid.
I think what you could look at is trading to #4 with Toronto. If Suggs is there and he's your guy, you could look at sending #10/Kira for that pick. I think that's pretty good value to move up. We got #10/#17 to move back from 4. I'd think Kira is worth the #17 pick.
I would love to bring in Westbrook, but i honestly don't think Washington is interested in blowing it up. If i were them i'd go all in with Westbrook and Beal and use their current assets to add a 3rd star. They should be going after KAT.
I know he's a good player, but i just think it's dumb to invest a ton of money down low. You'd have two max players in a few years that play the 4 and the 5, and that's just not a recipe for winning championships.
And i'm not interested in trading Ingram. Fix the roster, and i'm pretty sure he will look much better. He played all year taking the kind of shots you've been seeing guys like him have to take in the playoffs, tough and contested jumpers b/c there's no where else to go. AD said it all year about how difficult it was for BI to score. Improve the roster and make scoring easier for him. We have to find a 1 or a 2 that can be the lead guard and get his own shot, or easily create for others. That is the most important piece that needs to be added to this team. everyone else is just a role player.
I don't think Cleveland is interested in giving up the #3 pick. They aren't trading that pick just to move Love. That would be stupid.
I think what you could look at is trading to #4 with Toronto. If Suggs is there and he's your guy, you could look at sending #10/Kira for that pick. I think that's pretty good value to move up. We got #10/#17 to move back from 4. I'd think Kira is worth the #17 pick.
I would love to bring in Westbrook, but i honestly don't think Washington is interested in blowing it up. If i were them i'd go all in with Westbrook and Beal and use their current assets to add a 3rd star. They should be going after KAT.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 8:30 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:I think Sexton and 3 is a bit much for Ingram, not sure that the Cavs really care about getting off of Love. Is Ingram that much better than Sexton at this point? I think they are roughly in the same tier of player.
Can I perhaps interest you in my proposed trade yesterday of
Ingram
for Sexton, Love and 3
Posted on 6/24/21 at 8:36 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:How do we do that though? That's the question. Everyone keeps saying that there are less sellers this season because of the play-in, so in order to be a buyer of a player of this caliber, we're probably going to have to include a good player in the trade.
We have to find a 1 or a 2 that can be the lead guard and get his own shot, or easily create for others. That is the most important piece that needs to be added to this team. everyone else is just a role player.
The only targets that I could see that may not necessarily want a good player in return would be the Thunder/SGA and Cavs/Sexton. We could probably pry them away with future assets, and not include Ingram.
quote:I think they would lol and hang up if we offered 10 and Kira for #4. This is a 4-5 player draft.
I think what you could look at is trading to #4 with Toronto. If Suggs is there and he's your guy, you could look at sending #10/Kira for that pick. I think that's pretty good value to move up. We got #10/#17 to move back from 4. I'd think Kira is worth the #17 pick.
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