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re: Offseason player trade rumors thread
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:09 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:09 pm to TeddyPadillac
Have we been discussed at all in involved with Ben Simmons?
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:13 pm to TechTiger
quote:Nobody's paying the max for Lonzo.
I’d rather pay it to Simmons than Lonzo
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:17 pm to TeddyPadillac
I was very much on the side of not wanting Siakam b/c of his attitude, but he seems like a guy that would be a good get for us if we could get him for a reasonable price. He's been a pretty decent 3 point shooter outside of this year with his shoulder issue. He's a great small ball 5 with Zion, and he's able to create his own offense.
Could do something like S&T Lonzo/Adams/#10/23 1st for Siakam, 22 1st/Kira/Bledsoe/#35 for Brogdon.
Not sure if that's enough for Siakam (or Brogdon) though, as there are reports out there of GSW supposedly looking to offer #7/Wiggins/Wiseman(possibly more) for Siakam, and that is a way better package than what we could give.
Brodgon/NAW/BI/Zion/Siakam closing lineup should be legit, and that should be a decent defensive team as well.
Could do something like S&T Lonzo/Adams/#10/23 1st for Siakam, 22 1st/Kira/Bledsoe/#35 for Brogdon.
Not sure if that's enough for Siakam (or Brogdon) though, as there are reports out there of GSW supposedly looking to offer #7/Wiggins/Wiseman(possibly more) for Siakam, and that is a way better package than what we could give.
Brodgon/NAW/BI/Zion/Siakam closing lineup should be legit, and that should be a decent defensive team as well.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:24 pm to TeddyPadillac
Don't think Siakam is worth his salary. Not really a 3 point threat. Good defender, but cannot see him playing the 5 for much of a game.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:24 pm to NOSHAU
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Nobody's paying the max for Lonzo.
someone on the radio or somewhere i heard it recently talking about giving Lonzo a $100m contract, which is basically just under his max.
I fear some idiot franchise out there is going to offer him more than Brogdong/VanVleet's 4/$85, and it better not be us.
Lonzo reputation vastly outshines his actual performance, and what you saw from Simmons in the playoffs is exactly what would happen to Lonzo in the playoffs. His game is extremely flawed in the halfcourt, and it would be exposed in a playoff series, and he doesn't have the mental fortitude to overcome it.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:The comment I was responding to was that the poster would rather pay the max to Simmons rather than Ball. I would say neither, but do not see anyone offering Ball the max.
someone on the radio or somewhere i heard it recently talking about giving Lonzo a $100m contract, which is basically just under his max.
I fear some idiot franchise out there is going to offer him more than Brogdong/VanVleet's 4/$85, and it better not be us.
Lonzo reputation vastly outshines his actual performance, and what you saw from Simmons in the playoffs is exactly what would happen to Lonzo in the playoffs. His game is extremely flawed in the halfcourt, and it would be exposed in a playoff series, and he doesn't have the mental fortitude to overcome it.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:36 pm to TeddyPadillac
I can see the Knicks missing on CP3 and in a panic giving Lonzo a 4/100 just so they know we won't match. The extra 5 million a year is really nothing in their grand scheme, it doesn't affect any other moves.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
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what you saw from Simmons in the playoffs is exactly what would happen to Lonzo in the playoffs. His game is extremely flawed in the halfcourt, and it would be exposed in a playoff series, and he doesn't have the mental fortitude to overcome it.
Ben simmons has made 5 three pointers in 275 career games
Love to hear more how his offensive inabilities equate to Lonzo’s ability as a catch and shoot 3 guy
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:43 pm to GynoSandberg
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Ben simmons has made 5 three pointers in 275 career games
that's only 5 more than me having played 0.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Maybe they were referring to a 5 years 100m contract?
someone on the radio or somewhere i heard it recently talking about giving Lonzo a $100m contract, which is basically just under his max.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:07 pm to Epic Cajun
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Maybe they were referring to a 5 years 100m contract?
Only the original team can offer 5 years.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:08 pm to GynoSandberg
Lonzo has made 320 threes in the last 2 years, blah blah blah, name someone else to do that under 25, blah blah blah. I get it. you love Lonzo. You aren't capable of having a reasonable discussion about him. I have talked about his positives many times, so don't tell me i'm biased.
Regular season basketball is not playoff basketball. Lonzo has never appeared on the scouting report of any opposing team ever. That changes in the playoffs. He does one thing well, and that's it, shoot open 3's. He's not coming off screens or anything. He's simply standing still in the half court watching everyone else and waiting for a kick out. He doesn't even move around off the ball. Teams would simply run him off the line and make him do something, which he has yet to show he's capable of.
You know who was a good catch and shoot 3 point shooter? Etwaun Moore.
You recall what he did in the playoffs?
He shot 43% from 3 in the regular season. 36% in 9 games in the playoffs, and a terrible 25% in the Portland series. He took 2.7 3's per game in the playoffs compared to 3.7 in the regular season. His offensive rating went from 111 in the regular season to 102 in the playoffs.
when you are 1 dimensional, like Lonzo absolutely is in the half court, you will get exposed in the playoffs.
I would have loved to have made the playoffs once the last two years so we could see what Lonzo is capable of. Maybe he proves me wrong, but i doubt it. Lonzo has a big issue mentally with how he plays. If he's out of it mentally, he's so bad he doesn't belong in the NBA. When he's confident, he can be a really good player.
how do you think he would react to a team intentionally fouling him and he misses the first 2 free throws?
Regular season basketball is not playoff basketball. Lonzo has never appeared on the scouting report of any opposing team ever. That changes in the playoffs. He does one thing well, and that's it, shoot open 3's. He's not coming off screens or anything. He's simply standing still in the half court watching everyone else and waiting for a kick out. He doesn't even move around off the ball. Teams would simply run him off the line and make him do something, which he has yet to show he's capable of.
You know who was a good catch and shoot 3 point shooter? Etwaun Moore.
You recall what he did in the playoffs?
He shot 43% from 3 in the regular season. 36% in 9 games in the playoffs, and a terrible 25% in the Portland series. He took 2.7 3's per game in the playoffs compared to 3.7 in the regular season. His offensive rating went from 111 in the regular season to 102 in the playoffs.
when you are 1 dimensional, like Lonzo absolutely is in the half court, you will get exposed in the playoffs.
I would have loved to have made the playoffs once the last two years so we could see what Lonzo is capable of. Maybe he proves me wrong, but i doubt it. Lonzo has a big issue mentally with how he plays. If he's out of it mentally, he's so bad he doesn't belong in the NBA. When he's confident, he can be a really good player.
how do you think he would react to a team intentionally fouling him and he misses the first 2 free throws?
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:45 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Lonzo has made 320 threes in the last 2 years, blah blah blah, name someone else to do that under 25, blah blah blah. I get it.
I’m digging your recent 8 Mile strategy. Like outing your flawed argument on the front end will make it unusable against you
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you love Lonzo. You aren't capable of having a reasonable discussion about him.
Whoa now that is rich! I don’t care about Lonzo or any other Pelican for that matter, but I do prefer to paint them in a fair light.
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so don't tell me i'm biased.
You literally just tried to trash him by using some ben simmons false equivalency bullshite
You are jaded and lack serious self awareness bubba
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:46 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Is that really simple when the team also has to pack the paint to stop Zion?
Teams would simply run him off the line and make him do something,
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:50 pm to GynoSandberg
I can't imagine a team would be dumb enough to give Lonzo that contract. A player that only shoots 3 and hits them at a pretty average rate.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 3:08 pm to J_Hingle
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I’m digging your recent 8 Mile strategy. Like outing your flawed argument on the front end will make it unusable against you
I don't fully buy into Lonzo's shooting. At least not yet.
I don't remember the exact numbers but over the last two seasons you can look at two 15 games stretches where Lonzo got really hot and for those 30 games he was like a 43-45% three point shooter. In the other 88 games he's played for the Pelicans he's shot like 32-35% on average.
So for a few weeks every season he will shoot it at a historic level, then the rest of the time, which is 75% of his time with the team, he's a below average shooter.
I'm not sure you can even call that inconsistent. 75% isn't a small sample size.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 3:16 pm to GynoSandberg
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I’m digging your recent 8 Mile strategy. Like outing your flawed argument on the front end will make it unusable against you
well its simple with you b/c that's all you're ever going to say.
You have this thought that you can say that and it trumps all arguments about Lonzo being flawed.
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Whoa now that is rich! I don’t care about Lonzo or any other Pelican for that matter, but I do prefer to paint them in a fair light.
No problem with that. I talk about how great a rebounder he is, and how great he is in transition. And i do think he's a good defender, but not a great one. I have like when he plays with confidence, and you can see when he's confident, and i want him shooting when he is.
Why don't you say something bad about Lonzo. It's ok to be objective about Pelicans players.
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You literally just tried to trash him by using some ben simmons false equivalency bullshite
And you're incapable of logical thinking. You're arguments are black and white. Lonzo is a 3 point shooter, Simmons isn't, so it's impossible to relate anything to what just happened to Simmons to Lonzo. That's your narrow minded thinking here.
The point is both are extremely 1 dimensional in the half court, and both are weak minded, especially when it comes to free throws.
Can you honestly say you couldn't see Lonzo passing up an open layup b/c he's scared to get fouled? Hell this happens in the regular season with him.
You didn't answer me before, what do you think would happen to Lonzo's mental state if he was intentionally fouled off ball in the playoffs and missed both free throws?
Do you recall him shitting his drawers when he had the ball in his hands in the pathetic lost to Indiana early in the season? He was scared to have the ball in his hands and get fouled and have to hit free throws, in a regular season game no one watching or even remembers now except a few Pelican fans. Now pump that up to a playoff series where he's getting blame for Zion not winning.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 3:22 pm to shel311
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Is that really simple when the team also has to pack the paint to stop Zion?
i specifically gave the example of Etwaun Moore for this reason.
Look at what Joe Harris did this playoffs. His ORTG went from 126 to 107. 48% from 3 to 40%, not like that's bad, but in the 7 game series they lost to the Bucks he shot 33% from 3.
The point is, role players typically are going to struggle in the playoffs, especially on the road, b/c they actually show up on the scouting report now, and teams are dialed in to how to stop their opponents.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 3:23 pm to CP3forMVP
Well we know shooting accuracy isn’t linear. Outside of ~10 elite shooters, most guys take a mercurial path to arrive at their final numbers.
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In the other 88 games he's played for the Pelicans he's shot like 32-35% on average.
He shot 36% or above from 3P in 49% of his games the last two seasons. Over 30% in 62% of them. Would have to cross reference that with other similarly regarded shooters, but my educated guess is that those numbers fall close to players of similar ilk
Posted on 7/2/21 at 3:24 pm to GynoSandberg
Lonzo Ball sucks
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