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re: Official Free Agency and Trade Thread: Latest Pels sign Charles Cooke to 2 way
Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:07 pm to HickfawJim1
Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:07 pm to HickfawJim1
If we get 2 years ago Reggie Jackson this will be a steal for us.
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:11 pm to jprdbulldog20
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The Pistons and Pelicans have discussed a trade that would send Reggie Jackson to New Orleans in exchange for E'Twaun Moore and Alexis Ajinca, according to sources of Michael Scotto of Basketball Insiders. This isn't the first time we've seen Jackson's name crop up in trade rumors, and Scotto reported back in June that the Pistons were shopping him, so there could be something here. If this trade does go down, Jackson's value would take a massive hit as he'd be relegated to being Jrue Holiday's backup, while Ish Smith would see a huge jump in value as he'd step into a starting role in Detroit. Jordan Crawford would also see a boost in value with the departure of Moore. Stay tuned. Jul 11 - 6:59 PM
Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:18 pm to jprdbulldog20
I like that we keep our draft picks on that deal. But I'd rather trade Asik and a 2nd for Brandon Knight than give up 2 serviceable players in Moore and Ajinca for the same player in Reggie Jackson. Plus isn't Reggie Jackson kind of a head case?
Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:24 pm to DeionDeion
We've been discussing Reggie on here for awhile. Not sure how to feel about it.
Moore is a good player. Reggie sucked last year and has a terrible contract and attitude.
If it was Asik going out it's a yes. Moore/Ajinca. Eh.
Moore is a good player. Reggie sucked last year and has a terrible contract and attitude.
If it was Asik going out it's a yes. Moore/Ajinca. Eh.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:30 pm to Fun Bunch
I mean people were ready to dump jrue and sign a Teague/Hill caliber guy
You'd have that guy and no real exeptions for additional assets(correct me if wrong)
Would you rather have that or R-Jax/Jrue?
We probably arent giving up a pick either
You'd have that guy and no real exeptions for additional assets(correct me if wrong)
Would you rather have that or R-Jax/Jrue?
We probably arent giving up a pick either
Posted on 7/11/17 at 8:48 pm to Fun Bunch
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If it was Asik going out it's a yes
God yes. I'd even still give up Moore to get rid of him.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 10:37 pm to LesGeaux45
Moore is greatly overrated on here. I have no problem trading Moore for a potential upgrade. Not sure Reggie is that guy, but being able to keep picks is nice.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:22 pm to NOFOX
Domino just fell - KCP to Lakers
quote:- Windhorst
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope has agreed to a one-year, $18 million deal with the Lakers, sources tell ESPN.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:24 pm to BallHawk
Hmmm. Was hoping the Nets would get him.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:26 pm to BallHawk
KCP is a lebron agency client
they are throwing lebrons boys a bone here
brilliant move
they are throwing lebrons boys a bone here
brilliant move
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:45 am to NOFOX
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Moore is greatly overrated on here. I have no problem trading Moore for a potential upgrade
no one does. the problem isnt moving Moore. it's moving him b/c for a guy that doesnt make a ton of sense on the court or on the spreadsheet.
widely agreed goal #1 this summer: fine more shooting around Davis and Cousins
only shooters on the roster above 36% from 3: Moore, Crawford, and :gulp: Cousins
proposed trade: Reggie Jackson, a guy (if healthy) with some skills, but who cant play off the ball and makes nearly twice as much $$ over the next 3 years, for Moore + salary filler
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:22 am to corndeaux
only shooters on the roster above 36% from 3: Moore, Crawford, and :gulp: Cousins
The problem is Moore only took 2.4 3's per game while playing 25 min. He doesn't shoot enough and his defense is overrated. He is a JAG backup on a premium backup contract.
I get that Jackson isn't an ideal fit, but he has talent that Moore cannot come close to. This also changes negotiating positions with other teams. It leaked to show we have options.
The problem is Moore only took 2.4 3's per game while playing 25 min. He doesn't shoot enough and his defense is overrated. He is a JAG backup on a premium backup contract.
I get that Jackson isn't an ideal fit, but he has talent that Moore cannot come close to. This also changes negotiating positions with other teams. It leaked to show we have options.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:40 am to NOFOX
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Moore only took 2.4 3's per game
sure. he should up those numbers.
but, sadly, the volume doesnt change that he is still one of the top 3pt shooters on the roster and they would still be trading that guy away for one who teams would be happy shooting from deep at any volume.
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he has talent that Moore cannot come close to.
sure. but talent that doesnt seem to fit on a roster w/ Cousins, Davis, and Holiday. and if you think Moore is overrated on defense.....
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also changes negotiating positions with other teams.
sure. that has nothing to do with the value of this deal for the Pels though
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:05 am to NOFOX
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I get that Jackson isn't an ideal fit, but he has talent that Moore cannot come close to
He's also a functional retard that fits neither our roster nor our scheme.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:07 am to corndeaux
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sure. but talent that doesnt seem to fit on a roster w/ Cousins, Davis, and Holiday. and if you think Moore is overrated on defense.....
Jackson had similar2015-2016 DRPM as Moore. He's not a great defender, but with a lower usage rate on offense and at 6'3" with a 7'0" wingspan if he gets his athleticism back, he will be fine with Jrue and Solo to protect him. He obviously wasn't right this past season.
It is not an ideal situation, but our options are very limited and if it costs almost nothing to get him, I am confident Finch and Co can figure out how to use him if his knee is better/his athleticism is back. Add Ian Clark with rest of MLE and you also still have the 2018 1st in your quiver.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:08 am to NOFOX
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It leaked to show we have options.
As I said in the other thread, this is probably more about making Jackson seem valuable then Moore and Ajinca. Frankly, those two guys have roles in the NBA. Ajinca is a little overpaid, but at a price that's movable.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:11 am to NOFOX
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if he gets his athleticism back,
With this training staff?
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he will be fine with Jrue and Solo to protect him.
And how can you possibly expect the offense to function with that backcourt? Jrue is the only guy with a respectable outside shot.
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if his knee is better/his athleticism is back
You keep coming back to this. I'd rather keep the guy that we know is healthy and durable and provides something very important to our system.
You don't just make this trade to make a trade. It doesn't really benefit our team.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:18 am to Jester
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You don't just make this trade to make a trade. It doesn't really benefit our team.
It doesn't really hurt us though, and if he's healthy and back to the guy he was a year ago, and we find how to use him on this team, he's 10 times better than Moore, even if he misses 15 games.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:20 am to Jester
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With this training staff?
Time is more important than our training staff. He either has his athleticism back after injury and offseason or not.
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You keep coming back to this. I'd rather keep the guy that we know is healthy and durable and provides something very important to our system.
I just think Moore's and Anjica's contributions are easily replaceable. Moore has a decent %, but doesn't shoot enough to scare anyone. No team accounts for Moore. This also supposedly unlocks the rest of the MLE for us that is not available otherwise. So if you add someone like Ian Clark does that make losing Moore more acceptable?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:20 am to Jester
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You keep coming back to this.
But what if his knee is healthy? I've already said my main concern is not trusting this team when it comes to injury evaluation, but based on the information we do have, it doesn't seem that bad. Both Eric Gordon and Jared Dudley had knee tendonitis that their team couldn't fix. Gordon finally went to an outside doctor and was fine after a month or 2 of a new stretching regimen. Dudley had to change teams to get the rehab routine that would put him right, but once he did his knee was magically fixed like Gordon's.
Unless people were dropping inside info on Pistons message boards about Jackson's knee condition being degenerative, I think the source of calling Jackson's knee injury degenerative is poor reading comprehension by Piston fans and bloggers.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 9:22 am
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