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re: Official Free Agency and Trade Thread: Latest Pels sign Charles Cooke to 2 way

Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:51 am to
Posted by Mystictiger
Florida
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:51 am to
How much do you all think Anthony Morrow is going to get?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30364 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:56 am to
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How much do you all think Anthony Morrow is going to get?


bare minimum. He is easily one of the worst defenders in all of the NBA.
If he was even remotely worth a shite, OKC wouldn't have traded him, being that they were the worst 3 point shooting team in the league and thought he brought nothing to them. He hasn't even been shooting that well the last 2 years. He had 2 really good years, then the last 2 years he's been very underwhelming, even as strictly a shooter off the bench.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:20 am to
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It is not an ideal situation, but our options are very limited


yeah. i mean, i get it from the Pels perspective. they need to keep Cousins. they dont have time to waste. years of poor management and bad luck have led them this spot where they have to make moves for less than ideal players.

i just seriously doubt this deal would work out well.... which, to be fair, is probably the way things would go w/o the trade anyway.

for me, again, it comes back to the idea of changing things up. Reggie Jackson is a pure high PnR point guard who needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Pels need a guy that can create, but the two best players arent going to be maximized in an offense that runs high PnR after high PnR. would be disappointing to me for them to run something like that w/ Davis+Cousins

ETA- id be a lot more into it if they hadnt just signed Holiday for 5/$126 to then become a 3 and D guard
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 10:26 am
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10128 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:28 am to
We are still going to be primarily a PNR team as per Gentry. Finch is brought in to add wrinkles to the offense and maximize talents of the players. I think they can do so with Jackson too. If not and it isn't working, then he can come off the bench and run PnR with AD when Jrue and Boogie get a break. The only negatives would be possibly locker room chemistry and losing Moore. I think you are overrating Moore's shooting and we can bring in someone else with the rest of the MLE plus still have our 18 1st. The downside is so small this year that it makes sense to gamble. Also if he shows more of the Reggie from 2 years ago on a under $20M deal locked up for 2 years he could be moved next summer.

ETA - I get the apprehension and know the odds are he does not work out, but you aren't giving up any real assets to get him and I assume if this leaked and it goes through that Bledsoe wasn't a real possibility.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 10:31 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:31 am to
The sample size was very small, but one of the few things Jackson did well last year was the Handoff where he was in the 94th percentile and that will be a growing part of the offense. If you can give him some things to do that he's good at within the flow of the offense, maybe he'll be less likely to go all hero ball and break the offense.

One thing I think we can agree on is that if they do manage to win the perceived value of the players on the roster will go up around the league. AD doing what he did a few years ago on a top 4 team is the MVP instead of a player putting up stats on a bad team, that's just how it works. So if the team did manage to have a good season and Jackson was healthy and productive, he might even become a positive trade asset. Fisher talked about Jackson being a better trade piece than Jrue when the time comes for John Wall demands a trade to the Pels and if Jackson does return to form and I agree. They might be able to build a Wall trade package around Jackson, young player and future picks.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 10:32 am
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:38 am to
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still going to be primarily a PNR team


right. but how you get into those sets and what you do around them is the question. is it stagnant, high PnR or more flowing PnR from all over the court? we have seen a lot of stagnant high PnR even under Gentry. i dont think that will work well w/ Cousins/Davis

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he can come off the bench


so this is where i think the problems are for this team in the abstract. are the stars happy seeing less shots? seeing less time on the ball? not having the offense run through them?

questions are already there w/ Davis, Cousins, Holiday. add another guy in Jackson, who is used to running the show and controlling the ball, and things get very tricky.

i hear you on Moore, but the issue still remains; the Pels havent added any shooting to this roster. Cousins is probably the best 3PT shooter on the team. that is problematic

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you aren't giving up any real assets to get him


yeah. i would like this a lot more if Holiday hadnt just signed his big pay day
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 10:40 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:49 am to
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Adrian Wojnarowski? @wojespn 43 minutes ago

Sources: Knicks, Rockets working on Carmelo Anthony trade scenarios that include four-team deals. Sides motivated but no agreement imminent.

Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10128 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:51 am to
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Sources: Knicks, Rockets working on Carmelo Anthony trade scenarios that include four-team deals. Sides motivated but no agreement imminent.


Read - still trying to find someone to take on the Ryno deal
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 10:51 am
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:56 am to
Wonder if we could slide Asik in that deal for nothing but a 2nd Rounder?
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:01 am to
Bill Simmons tweeted this

Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30364 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:03 am to
Bill Simmons is an idiot and you shouldn't listen to a word he says.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:09 am to
I think the question to answer there is why does Teletovic only play 16 MPG? Teletovic played the most minutes with Monroe, so I'm guessing a stretch 4 is something they see as a lower usage bench role and they'd have a need to pay twice as much for Ryno.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 11:10 am
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10128 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:19 am to
That also puts MIL in the tax.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 11:19 am
Posted by tgr4ever
Gwinnett, baw
Member since Jul 2011
16214 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:23 am to
Lakers Waive David Nwaba

Dell needs to get on that shite. Really good defensive player
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
32306 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:32 am to
Rumors said PHX and PDX wanted to get in on it right?

NYK: Gordon, Harkless, Porland 1st, Houston 2020 1st
Houston: Anthony, Chandler
Phoenix: Leonard, Capela
Portland: Ryan Anderson

Maybe?
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
6156 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:39 am to
Lakers will prob re-sign Nwaba once he clears waivers
Posted by tgr4ever
Gwinnett, baw
Member since Jul 2011
16214 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:53 am to
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Lakers will prob re-sign Nwaba once he clears waivers
chances of him clearing waivers are under 5%
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10128 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:54 am to
I don't think he is going to clear waivers:

quote:

A team which claims David Nwaba would inherit a $1.3M non-guaranteed minimum salary, and RFA with Early Bird rights when it’s over.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
49085 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:24 pm to
i doubt HOU gives up gordon
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:02 pm to
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Shams Charania? @ShamsCharania 2m2 minutes ago

Free agent Thabo Sefolosha has agreed to a two-year, $10.5M deal with the Utah Jazz, league sources tell The Vertical.

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