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re: Official Free Agency and Trade Thread: Latest Pels sign Charles Cooke to 2 way

Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by pawel
Warsaw, Poland
Member since Oct 2016
788 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:00 pm to
Some/most of you are not happy with this 'waiting game'.
But Pels are not the only one there. Many teams are waiting.
I have some inside from other franchise. They have main plan. They are talking but mostly waiting for potential suitors.
But mostly waiting for RFA and other movements (f.e. Melo ). Cause they expect that the landscape might be different and someone will strike.
They have other options but are open what market might dictate.

Not especially interesting infos. But they know that there is a lot of time left.
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6112 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:01 pm to
You can look at it like that. Or we can look at it that we have all of our coaches back, signed Chris Finch to shake up the offense, and retained our main contributors from last season Jrue, AD, Boogie, Moore, Crawford, and Solo (and possibility Cunningham?) who are all healthy this offseason instead of rehabbing.

Maybe this idea of stability and familiarity is overblown but it definitely accounts for something.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:01 pm to
I'm saying the answer to other team's small ball is AD/DC. Don't forget that the Pels can play small ball too. They won 3 of the 4 games Boogie missed and I think if no Boogie trade happens the Pels would have made the playoffs.

Another good thing about AD/DC is the Pels have posted yet another video of them working out together. LINK

Players working out in the summer isn't that unusual, but this is the first time AD has really had a good workout buddy to help push him. The same is probably true for Boogie.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30761 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:27 pm to
at this point, i don't want to do anything. If they sign a minimum guy or whatever fine. Don't stretch Asik.

If a trade for an all star presents itself at the trade deadline, do it, if not, wait it out.

As i've said before, we aren't winning anything this year, and we aren't winning anything next year, and no one else is either outside of the Warriors.
We should be planning for the beginning of the 2020 season, and that plan to better the team by then should be conveyed to both AD and Cousins. The Warriors will fall lose pieces by then b/c of the tax. Lebron will be old. The Rockets will have failed with CP3 and Melo. There will finally be a season where we won't know what the finals matchup and winner will be before the season starts.

We can make the playoffs this year, and we should. I still dont' like Gentry as a head coach, but I think he's surrounded himself with really good talent for assistant coaches, and he lets them coach. There's no reason for a team with 2 supposed top 15 players, one in their prime, while the other is about to be, to not make the playoffs. A core of Jrue/AD/Cousins is better than Conley/ZBo/Gasol, and those cats have made the playoffs 7 years in a row with 3 different coaches.

make the playoffs, gel as a team, and go into the offseason next year with some momentum and your picks. At this point Asik only has $14M gauranteed, so it's easier to trade and/or stretch him, but i'd rather keep him. QPon comes off the books and all your left with is Ajinca, Solo and Moore and minimums. Extend Cousins, draft a guy in the 1st and 2nd round, if you haven't traded those picks for an ALLSTAR. Don't trade those picks unless it's for THE guy.

Go into 2019 with AD/Cousins/Jrue ready to go, Moore and Solo, Diallo and Jackson improving and contributing, and some minimum guys to go with Ajinca and Asik. When the trade deadline comes around in 2019, you'll have assets in the pick you just made, Diallo, your 2020 pick, and Asik having so little guaranteed for the next year but a big salary number to make trades easy. Some big time player will be pissed somewhere, and you'll have some assets to go get him, and even if you don't do anything at the trade deadline, you'll have the ability again at the end of the year to look at those trades again.

We aren't signing a FA that will be the missing piece. We either need to draft him, or trade for him, unless we find a way to trade Jrue for some expirings at some point in the next 3 years, which i doubt.

If we want to be a championship team, that's the way. Doesn't need to be this year, or next year. If we can't find that special trade before the 2020 season starts, or get extremely lucky with a draft pick, then we are doomed for good.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

yet another video of them working out together. LINK


My Boo is quite the workout song....
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13944 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

at this point, i don't want to do anything. If they sign a minimum guy or whatever fine. Don't stretch Asik.

If a trade for an all star presents itself at the trade deadline, do it, if not, wait it out.

As i've said before, we aren't winning anything this year, and we aren't winning anything next year, and no one else is either outside of the Warriors.
We should be planning for the beginning of the 2020 season, and that plan to better the team by then should be conveyed to both AD and Cousins. The Warriors will fall lose pieces by then b/c of the tax. Lebron will be old. The Rockets will have failed with CP3 and Melo. There will finally be a season where we won't know what the finals matchup and winner will be before the season starts.

We can make the playoffs this year, and we should. I still dont' like Gentry as a head coach, but I think he's surrounded himself with really good talent for assistant coaches, and he lets them coach. There's no reason for a team with 2 supposed top 15 players, one in their prime, while the other is about to be, to not make the playoffs. A core of Jrue/AD/Cousins is better than Conley/ZBo/Gasol, and those cats have made the playoffs 7 years in a row with 3 different coaches.

make the playoffs, gel as a team, and go into the offseason next year with some momentum and your picks. At this point Asik only has $14M gauranteed, so it's easier to trade and/or stretch him, but i'd rather keep him. QPon comes off the books and all your left with is Ajinca, Solo and Moore and minimums. Extend Cousins, draft a guy in the 1st and 2nd round, if you haven't traded those picks for an ALLSTAR. Don't trade those picks unless it's for THE guy.

Go into 2019 with AD/Cousins/Jrue ready to go, Moore and Solo, Diallo and Jackson improving and contributing, and some minimum guys to go with Ajinca and Asik. When the trade deadline comes around in 2019, you'll have assets in the pick you just made, Diallo, your 2020 pick, and Asik having so little guaranteed for the next year but a big salary number to make trades easy. Some big time player will be pissed somewhere, and you'll have some assets to go get him, and even if you don't do anything at the trade deadline, you'll have the ability again at the end of the year to look at those trades again.

We aren't signing a FA that will be the missing piece. We either need to draft him, or trade for him, unless we find a way to trade Jrue for some expirings at some point in the next 3 years, which i doubt.

If we want to be a championship team, that's the way. Doesn't need to be this year, or next year. If we can't find that special trade before the 2020 season starts, or get extremely lucky with a draft pick, then we are doomed for good.
I think I agree. We can probably get 1-2 veterans on a minimum deal to help (maybe Lawson and Afflalo or Barnes or a big like Hamilton). I am not keen on trading a #1 for someone like Lin. That #1 could come in handy later.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 1:21 pm to
Yeah, as frustrating as it is, there just doesn't seem to be a trade out there that doesn't make you a tax team next year when you probably aren't worth being a tax team. Keep your powder dry and if things go sideways maybe you let interim GM Ferry make a save the season trade. I may be overestimating Cal's pull with his players, but I also feel bringing in Cal is a trump card that can be played at the last minute to keep Cousins even if the season is a disappointment.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 1:24 pm
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
5051 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 1:25 pm to
Now that Pels Talk has seemingly come to a consensus of not making any trades, Dell is surely on the phone cooking one up to throw us into a tailspin. He's always watching. Waiting.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 1:40 pm to
Dell is on this board by the way / fact
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

I may be overestimating Cal's pull with his players, but I also feel bringing in Cal is a trump card that can be played at the last minute to keep Cousins even if the season is a disappointment.


"Calipari the Don"

"The Horse Whisperer"

"Nobody done more for the black man"

"Could sell ketchup popsicles in hell"
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 1:48 pm
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6112 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

I'm saying the answer to other team's small ball is AD/DC


Got it. And I agree I think Boogie and AD can pretty much match up with any lineup. I just worry about the match up elsewhere with the exception of Jrue and Solo (sometimes even with Solo)
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:11 pm to
this has been a super long 24-48 hours
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
6226 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:02 pm to
Not that it's major news, but the Nuggets waived Mike Miller.
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
6226 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:03 pm to
Oh and Shelvin Mack's contract details came out today...

2yr deal only $1m is guaranteed
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
105255 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:48 pm to
How is his health holding up?

3 and D guys on their last legs may be a cheap way to plug holes, as I figure he would be on a veteran minimum or close to it.

He was only scheduled to make $3.5m before he was cut.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
8202 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

but if these players develop and get better, we're making our future brighter without spending a nickel. i think the nba does a poor job of developing young players. they don't get better not playing.


Exactly. Seems like everyone constantly bitches about us never developing young players, and now people are going to bitch if we try to develop these promising young players.
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
6226 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:00 pm to
Pels and Pistons talking Reggie Jackson for Moore and Ajinca per Scotto
Posted by jprdbulldog20
Member since Feb 2013
20813 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:00 pm to
Sources: Pistons and Pelicans have discussed a potential trade of Reggie Jackson for E'Twaun Moore and Alexis Ajinca
Posted by HickfawJim1
Member since Sep 2013
455 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:02 pm to
Oh no not him.

Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:07 pm to
So we would have 2 guards making over $15 million that are negative assets. We'd have to hope his leg just needed more than a year to get 100%.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 6:09 pm
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