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re: News: Zion's final 3 years of contract are not *currently* guaranteed per The Athletic
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:22 pm to NOSHAU
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:22 pm to NOSHAU
I think yall are over valuing what this lazy fat arse is worth around the league. If you think he’s worth more, than the Knicks should have no problem giving two more 1sts.
All he’s proven in his 5 years is that he is lazy and refuses to care about improving his game or body. Seriously, what has he gotten better at as a basketball player since entering the league?
All he’s proven in his 5 years is that he is lazy and refuses to care about improving his game or body. Seriously, what has he gotten better at as a basketball player since entering the league?
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Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:24 pm to MrBarry
quote:So you don't like him. That does not mean the Pelicans and other teams do not value him. The Pelicans were not interested in re-signing Randle years ago. That may have changed. However, who says they have any interest at all just because someone with a hardon for him on a website wants him?
I think yall are over valuing what this lazy fat arse is worth around the league. If you think he’s worth more, than the Knicks should have no problem giving two more 1sts.
All he’s proven in his 5 years is that he is lazy and refuses to care about improving his game or body. Seriously, what has he gotten better at as a basketball player since entering the league?
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:25 pm to NOSHAU
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So does that not show you how those stats you read in a box score are valued by the NBA or do you really just think Randle and his agent decided to be nice and accept less money to help the Knicks' owner out?
I mean randle has said that he took less money so the knicks could build out the team around him
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:31 pm to NOSHAU
So what do you think he’s worth?
You’re not getting a KD return for him.
Gobert was a decent young player in Beasley and 5 firsts.
Do you think you can get a Gobert offer from someone?
Is OG, Gafford, 2 firsts and the first pick of the 2nd round not more than the Gobert trade?
OG is easily worth 2 firsts and Gafford is easily worth 1.
You’re not getting a KD return for him.
Gobert was a decent young player in Beasley and 5 firsts.
Do you think you can get a Gobert offer from someone?
Is OG, Gafford, 2 firsts and the first pick of the 2nd round not more than the Gobert trade?
OG is easily worth 2 firsts and Gafford is easily worth 1.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:36 pm to shel311
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Randle's teams lose Randle minutes compared to the minutes when Randle goes off the court. They're literally better when he is off the court. That is not my opinion, that is a literal fact.
He's a positive when they win and a negative when they lose. He has only missed 18 games in 5 seasons (the team went 9-9). If he's a net negative and hurting the team, then you are saying that the Knicks are a contender. You are saying a top 5 seed would be elevated without him. That's the only way your debate point makes any sense.
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You can choose to ignore that Randle's teams are better when he's off the court, but I'm not sure why you'd do that
He plays over 35mpg against starters. You think his backups are coming in to feast if they replace him? There is something to be said about context. Hart looks awesome against bench units, but wasn't always the best starter.
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He's lazy, in efficient and his teams are worse with him...have I NOT given those reasons over and over and over? Why would you say I gave no reasons
I don't know where the lazy comes in. He's in great shape and one of the strongest players in the league. So that's a personal bias. I'm kind of fascinated to see your thoughts on Zion, given your opinions about conditioning and effort..
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:40 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:Better rebounder, yes. But I don't get why we'd replace a non shooter with a bad shooter, which Randle is.
He's a much better rebounder, and shooter than Zion.
quote:It IS a lot for a dude who doesn't make his teams better, and his teams are actually better when he's not on the court though, no?
30m is just not that much for a guy who has made 2 all nba teams in the last 3 years while playing nearly every game. He's making less than CJ who has never made an all star team
quote:That's fair, I'd still rather look and take almost any other comparable deal than having Randle and his contract.
I'm not suggesting we trade zion for randle straight up. but Randle, mitchell robinson and like 3 1sts
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:44 pm to brmark70816
quote:I don't know what part of his teams are better factually when he's off the court is escaping you right now.
He's a positive when they win and a negative when they lose.
quote:I'm talking about facts, literal facts.
f he's a net negative and hurting the team, then you are saying that the Knicks are a contender. You are saying a top 5 seed would be elevated without him. That's the only way your debate point makes any sense.
It IS a fact that over his entire career, NYK included, his teams are better when he is not on the court.
He's a bigger version of Zach Lavine.
quote:Give me the context that allows Randle's teams, over his entire career to be better without him that other players you think are just as good as Randle don't have the same situation...
He plays over 35mpg against starters. You think his backups are coming in to feast if they replace him? There is something to be said about context. Hart looks awesome against bench units, but wasn't always the best starter.
quote:Google or go to Twitter and search "Julius randle lazy." if you still don't see it, I can't help you any more.
I don't know where the lazy comes in.
He's Zion level lazy on the court, probably worse.
quote:ZIon is lazy as frick. That's my point, why trade our efficient scoring lazy player for a worse player who is less efficient but also lazy...that would be one of the dumbest trades imaginable.
I'm kind of fascinated to see your thoughts on Zion, given your opinions about conditioning and effort..
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 12/21/23 at 3:25 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Zion's final 3 years of contract not *currently* guaranteed
If Zion's camp did not leak this I'd be pizzed. You do not reveal an employee's compensation terms period. Regardless, this does not appear that it will end well.
This may also explain the recent de-emphasis of Zion in the Pels offense. Pels appears to have wanted a two-man game of BI at the point and Z as the fulcrum in the post ala Murray and Joker for Denver. I thought this was a reasonable way to proceed but maybe Zion would rather have the ball in his hands, initiating.
I want things to work for Zion in Nola as it gives the team the highest ceiling. However, if you do not have buy-in, "it ain't gonna work". My issue is that Zion cheats the game, by choosing to not be in the proper condition that results in sub-optimal performance. We as fans of the team can forward all the reasons (aka excuses) for his current state but you can best bet not rebounding, not getting back on defense, lazy close-outs resulting from not being in condition to get to the spots he is supposed to be in are aggravating to the team.
Everyone can pizz, complain, and moan about the National narrative but Kenny and Chuck (as former professional athletes who competed at the highest levels) have it right. You are guilty of misuse if you refuse to get in the proper condition.
The alley-oop dunk from Naji against the Grizz laid it all bare. He was obviously fouled on the prior play but refused to get back on defense, yet had the talent and energy to elevate eye to rim level to throw down a powerful dunk that in today's game only one-of-one could execute. What's really going on?
Posted on 12/21/23 at 4:07 pm to htran90
I’d take the Brooklyn/ Bridges trade in a heartbeat.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 4:54 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Zion is worthless piece of shite with the mind of a child who can't even help himself with millions on the line. He must be borderline retarded!
Posted on 12/21/23 at 5:00 pm to Borntoboogy
Your post is fully retarded.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 6:08 pm to Borntoboogy
quote:Feels like someone's alter account (or just another troll).
Zion is worthless piece of shite with the mind of a child who can't even help himself with millions on the line. He must be borderline retarded!
Posted on 12/21/23 at 7:56 pm to htran90
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Zion to Brooklyn Bridges, Markkanen, Claxton to Pelicans Nance, Lewis to Utah
I remember in the offseason when I offered up Banchero before his rookie season
We might trade you Jalen Suggs straight up for that fat loser now.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 12/21/23 at 8:20 pm to DiamondDog
I’m pretty much done with Zion as one of the key players on the team. I see him as a one trick pony along with a defensive liability and rather roll without him. But he’s here and here we are.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 4:46 am to Mickey Goldmill
Is this true? Why would he or his agent agree to this?
Can we move randle talk to a different thread? I know we can’t, but this thread should be about zion and this voidable contract jmo
Can we move randle talk to a different thread? I know we can’t, but this thread should be about zion and this voidable contract jmo
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:21 am to MrBarry
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Seriously, what has he gotten better at as a basketball player since entering the league?
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:59 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Did something trigger a change in his contract to make these parts not guaranteed? Or are these just details that weren't public before?
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:14 pm to supe12sta12z
Could be that the front office wants to free itself from Zion and his contract.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:15 pm to Kingpenm3
quote:Seems new
Did something trigger a change in his contract to make these parts not guaranteed? Or are these just details that weren't public before?
From what I can tell we always knew the weight+BMI thing could trigger an out, but it seems Zion playing only 29 games last season making the final 3 years non-guaranteed is new.
Also, from what I gather, also new is that there are still future marks(I assume games played) that Zion can get those final 3 years back to being guaranteed.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 2:01 pm to htran90
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Zion to Brooklyn
Bridges, Markkanen, Claxton to Pelicans
Nance, Lewis to Utah
this shite wouldn't even work in 2K, bruh
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