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re: News: Zion's final 3 years of contract are not *currently* guaranteed per The Athletic
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:22 am to htran90
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:22 am to htran90
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Zion to Brooklyn Bridges, Markkanen, Claxton to Pelicans Nance, Lewis to Utah
I’ve seen some pie in the sky fantasyland trade offerings but this takes the cake. In what world would the other teams do this?
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Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:42 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Under the contract, the sum of Williamson’s weight in pounds and his body fat percentage must be less than 295
He has got to be riding a fine line with that. Average male body fat is in the 15-25% range. I would imagine he's on the higher end of that. I don't think it would surprise anyone if his actual weight was about 270.
They should have made the sum around <275. Get him in the 255 range with 10% body fat.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:53 am to MrJimBeam
I meant Johnson, I'm not that delusional to think the main package for kd would be traded for zion.
Although with that we'd have a huge log at the 3 and 4. Maybe too many wings to where sending Johnson out might be the smarter idea.
McCollum/Daniels/Alvarado
Jones/Hawkins/Marshall
Ingram/murphy/Johnson
Markannen/murphy/johnson
Valanciunas/claxton
Although with that we'd have a huge log at the 3 and 4. Maybe too many wings to where sending Johnson out might be the smarter idea.
McCollum/Daniels/Alvarado
Jones/Hawkins/Marshall
Ingram/murphy/Johnson
Markannen/murphy/johnson
Valanciunas/claxton
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 10:57 am
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:53 am to bigpetedatiga
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I wonder if that is transferable in a trade if we decide to move on.
Looks like it:
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The contract terms give the team flexibility and a safety net, however, and could make it easier to trade Williamson because potential partners would have escape hatches that could lower the risk of adding his salary to their ledger.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 10:54 am
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:53 am to Mickey Goldmill
The likely reason that this news would come out would be because David Griffin wants to let other teams in the league see why trading for Zion is less risky than they might think.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:13 am to Mickey Goldmill
It was a smart contract by the FO. There are some protections there.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:17 am to MrJimBeam
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I’ve seen some pie in the sky fantasyland trade offerings but this takes the cake. In what world would the other teams do this?
Yeah i think the rep around Zion is bad enough to where the pelicans would be giving up Zion with picks and getting back some role players and a bad contract lol
Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:25 am to shel311
This is all horseshite and you keep repeating it over and over.
Randle took over a 20 win team and carried them to relevancy, while being a multi time all star and a top 5 MVP candidate. Nobody on the Pelicans can sniff his level of success the past 5 seasons.
He doesn't miss games. He's in great shape. Even though he's not a franchise player or has a max contract, he still plays the role for one of the most popular teams in the league.
Yet you constantly dump on him for no reason. I'm a huge Randle fan and I recognize he wouldn't be a good fit here. But that's doesn't make him trash. Do you honestly believe the Knicks would be better without him? IMO they wouldn't win 30 games..
Randle took over a 20 win team and carried them to relevancy, while being a multi time all star and a top 5 MVP candidate. Nobody on the Pelicans can sniff his level of success the past 5 seasons.
He doesn't miss games. He's in great shape. Even though he's not a franchise player or has a max contract, he still plays the role for one of the most popular teams in the league.
Yet you constantly dump on him for no reason. I'm a huge Randle fan and I recognize he wouldn't be a good fit here. But that's doesn't make him trash. Do you honestly believe the Knicks would be better without him? IMO they wouldn't win 30 games..
Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:37 am to brmark70816
If they had to play in the West, the Knicks would be in 12th place right now.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:47 am to brmark70816
quote:Exactly what level of "success" has he achieved with the Knicks?
Randle took over a 20 win team and carried them to relevancy, while being a multi time all star and a top 5 MVP candidate. Nobody on the Pelicans can sniff his level of success the past 5 seasons.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 12:02 pm to NOSHAU
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Exactly what level of "success" has he achieved with the Knicks?
They went from 21 wins his first year to playoffs the next 2 out 3 years. They are a top 5ish seed this year (although Brunson deserves more credit for that). They are relevant because they are competitive. He is putting up 27/8/5 this month over a stacked schedule, shooting almost 60%. Zion did that last year and people wanted to crown him. I don't see how he's garbage or a negative asset like the guy keeps saying..
Posted on 12/21/23 at 12:07 pm to brmark70816
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They went from 21 wins his first year to playoffs the next 2 out 3 years. They are a top 5ish seed this year (although Brunson deserves more credit for that). They are relevant because they are competitive. He is putting up 27/8/5 this month over a stacked schedule, shooting almost 60%. Zion did that last year and people wanted to crown him. I don't see how he's garbage or a negative asset like the guy keeps saying..
Yeah people act like he’s a negative contract but his deal is basically 90m over 3 years. What 2 time all nba player are you getting for that money?
He’s frustrating for sure but he is a lot more reliable than fatty
Posted on 12/21/23 at 12:55 pm to supe12sta12z
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Well if this doesn't motivate him to get his shite together... Nothing will.
I mean the guy already has multi generational money. He may just not be a guy you can motivate.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 1:03 pm to Balsamic_duck
Knicks get Zion and Kira
Raptors get RJ Barrett
Wizards get Fournier, EJ, 2 Knicks 1st(give Wizards back their protected 1st they owe the Knicks, and the 24 Dallas 1st)
Pels get OG, Gafford, Otto Porter, 2026 & 2028 Knicks 1st and 2024 Knicks 2nd from Detroit.
All teams stay under the tax.
Herb is going to the bench and we are starting CJ, BI, OG, Trey and JV.
Raptors get RJ Barrett
Wizards get Fournier, EJ, 2 Knicks 1st(give Wizards back their protected 1st they owe the Knicks, and the 24 Dallas 1st)
Pels get OG, Gafford, Otto Porter, 2026 & 2028 Knicks 1st and 2024 Knicks 2nd from Detroit.
All teams stay under the tax.
Herb is going to the bench and we are starting CJ, BI, OG, Trey and JV.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 12/21/23 at 1:32 pm to brmark70816
quote:No, he's not very good.
This is all horseshite and you keep repeating it over and over.
quote:Randle's teams lose Randle minutes compared to the minutes when Randle goes off the court. They're literally better when he is off the court. That is not my opinion, that is a literal fact.
Randle took over a 20 win team and carried them to relevancy, while being a multi time all star and a top 5 MVP candidate. Nobody on the Pelicans can sniff his level of success the past 5 seasons.
You can choose to ignore that Randle's teams are better when he's off the court, but I'm not sure why you'd do that.
quote:And that team is worse when he's on the court.
He doesn't miss games. He's in great shape. Even though he's not a franchise player or has a max contract, he still plays the role for one of the most popular teams in the league.
quote:No reason? He's lazy, in efficient and his teams are worse with him...have I NOT given those reasons over and over and over? Why would you say I gave no reasons?
Yet you constantly dump on him for no reason
Just because you don't like the reasons does not mean I did not give reasons.
quote:Because lazy and inefficient volume shooters aren't a good fit with any team.
I'm a huge Randle fan and I recognize he wouldn't be a good fit here
quote:They literally are, what are you talking about?
Do you honestly believe the Knicks would be better without him? IMO they wouldn't win 30 games..
You have 300 games and 10,000 minutes of data as evidence of this fact, why choose to ignore it?
Posted on 12/21/23 at 1:35 pm to brmark70816
quote:Would we be crowning Zion if he shot 46% from the field, 33% from 3 on 8 3s per game and a gross .548 TS%?
Zion did that last year and people wanted to crown him. I don't see how he's garbage or a negative asset like the guy keeps saying..
Doubt it, because those are the numbers of an inefficient chucker.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 1:36 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:Again, his most reliable traits are laziness and inefficient volume scoring. Why would you want to add that to your team at $30 mil a year?
He’s frustrating for sure but he is a lot more reliable than fatty
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:08 pm to shel311
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Again, his most reliable traits are laziness and inefficient volume scoring. Why would you want to add that to your team at $30 mil a year?
He's a much better rebounder, and shooter than Zion. At worst he's just as bad of a defender but most likely he's still a better defender than zion
30m is just not that much for a guy who has made 2 all nba teams in the last 3 years while playing nearly every game. He's making less than CJ who has never made an all star team
I'm not suggesting we trade zion for randle straight up. but Randle, mitchell robinson and like 3 1sts and i'm driving Zion to the airport.
Zion has added nothing to his game in 5 years and when he's not hurt, he is out of shape. I'm done waiting for the guy to get it together
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:17 pm to MrBarry
quote:Either you are joking or do not follow the NBA much if you think that is a good return.
Knicks get Zion and Kira
Raptors get RJ Barrett
Wizards get Fournier, EJ, 2 Knicks 1st(give Wizards back their protected 1st they owe the Knicks, and the 24 Dallas 1st)
Pels get OG, Gafford, Otto Porter, 2026 Knicks 1st and 2024 Knicks 2nd from Detroit.
All teams stay under the tax.
Herb is going to the bench and we are starting CJ, BI, OG, Trey and JV.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 2:20 pm to Balsamic_duck
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He's making less than CJ who has never made an all star team
quote:So does that not show you how those stats you read in a box score are valued by the NBA or do you really just think Randle and his agent decided to be nice and accept less money to help the Knicks' owner out?
He's making less than CJ who has never made an all star team
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