re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein

Griff will eventually lose his job if we gotta include Herb in a trade to get rid of B.I. Period.
That's TWO starters for the price of one, who will never play championship level defense.
If Griff has to include Herb in any trade to unload B.I., he will lose his job in less than 2 years from that point, book it.
We thought a ZIon/B.I. team couldn't play defense? How about a Trae/Zion led defense WITHOUT Herb and a bargain bin Center or a rookie Center (Missi or Ware) and/or Larry undersized arse defending the paint?.... Ugly. ....

But wait, we got Dyson to now assume a STARTING ROLE..... And have Dyson trying to be a poor man's Herb and bricking all of his corner threes. Lol. Willie wont have a Top 20 defense and Griff will fire him after a year.

Trying to surround a good team, let alone a championship team around Trae/Zion is a daunting task. The only GM I see pulling it off is Presti and maybe Buford/Pop. We were fortunate to find Herb at a fraction of the would be cost, to propel an average defense to Top 10 status.

Now, you would be asking Griff to find another Herb in the draft or more likely, to go pay a max contract and be your third star who gotta guard the other team's best player and be productive in the scoring category to justify the cost of services. And even then, it probably wont be enough because you would be banking on Griff mining the draft and the lower end of the free agency market to fill out a quality bench. Without Trajan. And whoever we get they better already be able to shoot because we lost the guru. Lol. We have an organization that is a small market and not known for player development. The odds are that any iteration of such a team with Trae,would not make the playoffs.

If you really think about it and envision what it would take and require from an organizational, developmental and coaching perspective, then it becomes readily apparent that Trae is not the answer for us. It might work for 2k, but not in reality.

Think about it.

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Think about it

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I think you're doing a bunch rambling that makes no sense.

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Man, Dyson wont ever reach Herb's level. a 40% 3 and D, 1st team ALL NBA?? Herb has not realized all of his potential. Herb can honestly be a version of Scottie Pippen. Real talk.

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You do realize Dyson defense is better at his age right now than what Herbs was, he was still in college at this time. Not sure what metric you using to say that.

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They may do Ingram, Nance, five first rounders(one heavily protected), two swaps

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I’m good with this. Unload the picks and we keep Herb.

Im not looking to even come close to the Mikal type haul, that was unique and for certain an overpay, But, not only do we not get the same haul for Brandon, we gotta give up Herb and a number of 1st rounders in any deal for a NOT TOP 10 player??
It's not worth it.

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They will get a ransom. Because their hands aren’t forced to trade Trae at the moment

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Who’s paying it? Trae may want the spurs, but he doesn’t seem like the type of player that fits their organization. I’m sure the Lakers want him, and he wants them. But they have jack shite to give up. So what other team is giving up this ransom? Supply and demand. I’m sure teams will be interested but not at the price they think he’s worth.

They have to move on from him or Murray and make a decision.

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Who’s paying it? Trae may want the spurs, but he doesn’t seem like the type of player that fits their organization. I’m sure the Lakers want him, and he wants them. But they have jack shite to give up. So what other team is giving up this ransom? Supply and demand. I’m sure teams will interested but not at the price they think he’s worth. They have to move on from him or Murray and make a decision.

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I get what you’re saying but we have a decision to make with BI too. Honestly the pressure is more on us then it is on them. We need to trade BI because this is the time to do it not after free agency late in the summer/early fall when you have lost leverage because most teams have signed free agents or made the trades they needed to. You can wait it out but you’ll lose BI suitors if you do.

So we basically forfeit the team and mortgage the future away for a player with severe defensive limitations and put him on a team with NO Defense now, or putting it on Dyson's back (lol) and that's how y'all want to start a rebuild with only CJ's contract to work with and get markedly better?

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They may do Ingram, Nance, five first rounders(one heavily protected), two swaps

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I would call it in immediately

Call up Trajan and send CJ for Ivey and a S&T of Wiseman (4/35) with 2 2nds, flip those two seconds to Brooklyn for a S&T of Claxton (4/80). Bring Naji back using his bird rights. Bring Zeller back telling him he is our screen setting teacher. Sign Karlo to two way to train with team. Use MLE to get the best player you can for approximately 8 million.

Trae/Ivey/Jose
Herb/Hawk/Ryan
Trey/Dyson/MLE
Zion/Naji/EJ
Claxton/Wiseman/Zeller/Karlo

That’s a full complete team that’s still under the tax.

Picks to Hawks would be #21, both 2025 picks, both 2027 picks with lottery protection on Bucks pick. Swaps in 26 and 28. If it doesn’t work worst case scenario you still have control of your own picks left starting in 29, so you have 4 years to tinker and make it work together

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ScoopB says Pels are interested in Trae, maybe they’re shifting focus? Or there’s a whole lot of posturing going on with Griff trying to make Hawks think they would prefer Murray to try to get the price down a little?