re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein

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If he's still here then the plan has to be to take the ball out of BI's hands to force him into the off ball role he should be capable of excelling at.

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His off ball movement is almost nonexistent. I agree this can work but its a lot of buy in and expecting him to be a completely different player than he has been for the past 3 years. For a guy wanting a max deal- I just can’t see him taking a lesser role.

I guess my whole issue with this concept is we’re spending half a season trying to build up BIs value even if that detrimentally affects other players (CJ and Trey) and positions on this team (center).

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Vet min too.

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Was that reported? At least we have an insurance policy.

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Yep, Trey, Herb, and CJ were all able to raise their 3PAs this past year. CJ and Herb also had career high 3P%. All without a PG

BI somehow missed the memo

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BI was the PG.



Anyone want to guess at who BI had the higest NetRtg with on the team this past year as a 2 man lineup, which was significantly higher than anyone else?






The only PG on the actual team......Jose.


and the year before....Zion, then Jose. significantly higher than everyone else.

and the year before that.....half a season of CJ led the way, the CJ that had the highest assist total of his career b/c he was playing PG for us.

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The only PG on the actual team......Jose. and the year before....Zion, then Jose. significantly higher than everyone else. and the year before that.....half a season of CJ led the way, the CJ that had the highest assist total of his career b/c he was playing PG for us.

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So you’re technically saying BI has had point guards on this roster like Jose, CJ and Zion and still failed to shoot 3s and complained about not having a pg?

I mean halfway through the season we went to Zion at point, yet I didn’t see some massive improvement in his 3 pt attempts?

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So you’re technically saying BI has had point guards on this roster like Jose, CJ and Zion and still failed to shoot 3s and complained about not having a pg?

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No child, tha'ts not what i'm "technically" saying.

It's obvious that BI should not be the primary ball handler, and he's a better player when playing off the ball.

BI only played 9 minutes a game with Jose, yet in those 9 minutes the two of them averaged 6 3PA and made them at 43%, which was signficantly higher than with any other player on the team.
You could try to argue that it was Jose taking the 3's, since I can't see in the stats who's taking those 6 3PA, but BI has similar 3PA with Trey, Hawkins, and less with CJ, and those 3 guys shoot more 3's than Jose even on a PER36 basis, not just a pure totals standpoint.
I think it's pretty obvious that BI is taking more 3's when Jose is in the game.

BI with Jose had the best ORtg and best DRtg than with anyone else.
almost every stat is better with Jose for him, Ast/to ratio, TS%, eFG%, NetRtg.

You ever notice how BI always seemed to do most of his scoring toward the end of the 1st and 3rd quarter, after Zion goes out and Jose enters the game?

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No child, tha'ts not what i'm "technically" saying. It's obvious that BI should not be the primary ball handler, and he's a better player when playing off the ball.

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I’m not your child. I think you’re trying really hard analytically to make BI this productive 3 point shooter with a point guard. Yet you completely ignore that Zion is one of the most productive 3 point producing shots player in the league and BI can’t shoot more 3s with him.

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BI only played 9 minutes a game with Jose, yet in those 9 minutes the two of them averaged 6 3PA and made them at 43%, which was signficantly higher than with any other player on the team. You could try to argue that it was Jose taking the 3's, since I can't see in the stats who's taking those 6 3PA, but BI has similar 3PA with Trey, Hawkins, and less with CJ, and those 3 guys shoot more 3's than Jose even on a PER36 basis, not just a pure totals standpoint. I think it's pretty obvious that BI is taking more 3's when Jose is in the game.

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Child- pointing out stats when you can’t tell me if its BI actually taking those 3s is just silly. You’re stating combined they are shooting more 3s but have no idea how many BI is shooting. This what I mean by over analyzing.

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You ever notice how BI always seemed to do most of his scoring toward the end of the 1st and 3rd quarter, after Zion goes out and Jose enters the game?

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It doesn’t worry you that BI plays better with Jose (a backup point guard) than Zion(the guy you’re trying to build around). Whats the point of having BI if he cant play well with your best player?

I'm simply willing to give BI a shot for one more year with a healthy in shape Zion and Murray, and I think you would see more 3's from him if he's not on the ball so much and asked to create so much and he can just play quick decision basketball. Quick decision basketball as in no one should have the ball in their hands for longer than 3 seconds or 3 dribbles in the half court, unless you're a pure PG, and he is not.

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Child- pointing out stats when you can’t tell me if its BI actually taking those 3s is just silly. You’re stating combined they are shooting more 3s but have no idea how many BI is shooting. This what I mean by over analyzing.

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I know i'm over analyzing it, and it sucks i can't see BI's individual stats in the lineup tool.
But it's not a coincidence that he plays better with a PG for the last 3 years.
Zion is not a PG. Trey/CJ/Herb are going to take the same 3's regardless if they are playing with Jose or Zion at the point, or Murray. That's their role.

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It doesn’t worry you that BI plays better with Jose (a backup point guard) than Zion(the guy you’re trying to build around). Whats the point of having BI if he cant play well with your best player?

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It most certainly does.

But BI played awesome with Zion last year, when we had a healthy Zion.
and he played awesome with him to close the year when Zion was in shape.

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[quote]We currently would have the worst center situation in the league.
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It's probably the worst position group in the league. Not just C. I doubt it's close either.

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While I agree, the Center position is probably the least important position in today's game compared to wings and point guard.

We've seen the impact that not having a table-setting PG had on this team last season during clutch time, and Griff did a great job of solving that at the expense of the center position.

To be clear, I'm not saying the center position doesn't matter. Center is the one position where there are less than a handful of absolute star guys, and then there is a big drop-off in talent and expected productivity.

Most of the league has been relegated to selecting a center with a clear strength and matching deficiencies.

I'm ok with temporarily plugging the position with some stop gaps because we got our point guard.

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I'm simply willing to give BI a shot for one more year with a healthy in shape Zion and Murray, and I think you would see more 3's from him if he's not on the ball so much and asked to create so much and he can just play quick decision basketball.

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I get where you’re coming from. But for me I think hes had enough chances and personally I would rather give our younger guys such as Herb, Trey and Hawkins those opportunities. I’m not saying you’re wrong but I think its time to give our other guys more of a shot especially Trey.

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Zion is not a PG. Trey/CJ/Herb are going to take the same 3's regardless if they are playing with Jose or Zion at the point, or Murray. That's their role.

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And this is the point. Other than being a number one option what is BI’s role? I just think he hasn’t changed his game with or without a pg to fit into the role we need him to be in. Which is clearly a number 2 and now with Dejounte maybe a number 3.

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But BI played awesome with Zion last year, when we had a healthy Zion. and he played awesome with him to close the year when Zion was in shape.

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Agreed. He played winning basketball on defense, passing and doing the little things. But if you remember what he was struggling with was scoring. I think this is the main issue for BI to be this great scorer he needs the offense to revolve around him. Now if he doesn’t care about scoring and is ok doing the little things to win- maybe it works. But I just can’t see him buting into this for the full season and being ok with the decrease in his scoring avg as well.

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And this is the point. Other than being a number one option what is BI’s role? I just think he hasn’t changed his game with or without a pg to fit into the role we need him to be in. Which is clearly a number 2 and now with Dejounte maybe a number 3.

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Personally, and I know some people will disagree with me on this, but BI refusing to adapt his game to Zion comes down to 1 thing, and that’s coaching.

Willie lets BI do what BI wants. That wouldn’t fly under Alvin or SVG.

As long as Willie keeps coddling him and doesn’t put his foot down, you will see the same BI you’ve seen the last three years.