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re: McNamara really dislikes Cousins

Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:33 pm to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:33 pm to
Hold up, MM is back on twitter?after that epic mic drop from last year swearing off social media?

I actually agree with him about Boogie and have always felt that way. However I don't think predicting a failure in Nola is ground breaking stuff here. But lord what a douche.
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7515 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:42 pm to
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Hold up, MM is back on twitter?after that epic mic drop from last year swearing off social media?

I actually agree with him about Boogie and have always felt that way. However I don't think predicting a failure in Nola is ground breaking stuff here. But lord what a douche.



Exactly. I said the exact same things about Cousins - didn't take a basketball genius to figure that out. He's a total dipshit.
Posted by Split2874
Mandeville
Member since Jul 2012
2979 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:42 pm to
We cannot really tell from the small sample size we have had what is going to happen with this team.

If Cousins buys in and the team adjust it's offense some to accommodate DC. It could work.

But to me that means DC needs to work on his conditioning, be able to run and get out of his habits from the Kings.

BIG IF

Also would it kill one our point guards to pass the ball to the big early when he has post position on a guard.

Moore and Hill seem to be the only ones willing to make that pass
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10076 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:42 pm to
Trading Demarcus for Ingram as MM suggests would seem to be a non-starter. How do you sell ownership and AD on a rebuild now? Does Jrue re-sign if we trade Cousins for Ingram?

If it is clear that Cousins is not working and AD agrees, then you hope Washington sees 1st round exit and the Wall/Beal tension bubbles up again and/or hope Boston underperforms in the playoffs and the rumors they made offers for Boogie is true and approach them about players + assets.

Hoping to get a bevy of picks and young players for a star player from LAL seems to be the opposite strategy this team/GM has been using for the past 5 years.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 3:45 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:49 pm to
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Trading Demarcus for Ingram as MM suggests would seem to be a non-starter


Agreed, Ingram has been pretty awful so far. I know he's young and has room to develop, but he hasn't shown much at all.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62443 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:51 pm to
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Hoping to get a bevy of picks and young players for a star player from LAL seems to be the opposite strategy this team/GM has been using for the past 5 years.


I don't think they'd keep Ingram. I'm not sure if you could flip him for Butler, but at the very least he might make a team like Charlotte think about hitting the reset button. I thought Batum was an unrealistic target when MM put him out there in his offseason paths articles, but Charlotte is currently the #11 seed in the East and they are about as good as they are going to get. They really do need to blow it up.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10076 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 4:40 pm to
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I thought Batum was an unrealistic target when MM put him out there in his offseason paths articles, but Charlotte is currently the #11 seed in the East and they are about as good as they are going to get. They really do need to blow it up.


So you flip Demarcus for Ingram and then hope that Charlotte wants to move Ingram for Batum? Without some guarantee of getting a two way wing for Ingram, then it just doesn't seem like a move ownership would approve, nor one that would appease Jrue/AD unless Cousins is a total lockeroom cancer and they just want him gone.

I think Batum has his issues too. If you look at the Hornets writers, they question whether Batum is really a #2 you can rely on to score. They debate whether he is better as a 3rd option/utility type player, but he makes $24M per year. Can you pay two guys better suited as 3rd options offensively in excess of $50M?

I think Washington with pressure from Wall could provide a better trade partner if they don't have a good showing in the post season.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 4:51 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 4:56 pm to
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But to me that means DC needs to work on his conditioning, be able to run and get out of his habits from the Kings.



i like how y'all keep blaming it on conditioning


like crewz says, that is just who he is.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62443 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 5:04 pm to
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I think Washington with pressure from Wall could provide a better trade partner if they don't have a good showing in the post season.


If you're telling me I can do Cousins/Hill for Porter/Gortat, that's great. But if they don't want to give up Porter, the step down the asset tree is pretty steep.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
28704 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 5:06 pm to
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i like how y'all keep blaming it on conditioning



How often you see Marc Gasol running the floor like a beast? He's lolly gagging behind Conley as well most of the time, which is why Memphis is one of the slowest paced teams in the league every year.

We have an idiot for a coach, and an idiot for a GM. The GM keeps giving the coach players that don't fit his system, and the coach doesn't adjust and runs a system that isn't ideal for the main players on his team. Those two need to be in sync, and they obviously have not been the last few years.
Have a defensive minded coach, give him a bunch of chuckers that can't play defense.
Have a offensive minded coach, get rid of the chuckers and bring in defensive guys that can't shoot and big guys that can't run the floor.

I'd rather get rid of the coach than the player, if that coach is Uncle Alroy and that player is Cousins. But make a decision on how you want to move forward this offseason b/c it's looking like this coach doesn't really want to try to fit this guy into how he wants his offense to look. Either get a new coach or get new players.
Posted by pawel
Warsaw, Poland
Member since Oct 2016
788 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 3:54 am to
small chance that LA may flip us Ingram.

they may give us 3rd pick (when Ball will be out of their range)


no matter if he will stay or go - the best for his value will be to keep the silence about this turmoil
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
7604 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 9:27 am to
You're a journalist...well, kind of. Regardless, you put the story out there for people to discuss it. That's kind of the point, you know. So no, you didn't start a random thread about Chicken having a dumb opinion about the cousins situation, because Chicken doesn't have a damn blog dedicated to the Pelicans...that we know of anyway.

So get over yourself homie. People react to all articles. shite, people lose their minds over random clickbait articles on FB that are obviously fake. You are not special. Go Pelicans

ETA: You realize the situation you put yourself in right? If Cousins proves you wrong and we kill it next year, you're credibility is done (the trolls here are legendary). If you're right, then the Pelicans are fricked and you're job will continue to suck.
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 9:32 am
Posted by pawel
Warsaw, Poland
Member since Oct 2016
788 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 9:43 am to
just theoretically - there is third option

Pelicans might trade him this summer.
To LA or whoever.

It depends on the 'turmoil' and Magic's love of him...
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10076 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:16 am to
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Pelicans might trade him this summer.
To LA or whoever.



As I said before, unless he is a total cancer and AD/Jrue demand the front office get rid of him, there is no way we trade him this offseason especially for Lakers' picks or young guns. Cousins was the big splash, second star to put next to AD that everyone has desired (granted people envisioned a wing or guard). You cannot turn around and trade that star player after 25 games unless AD demands it or it is for another star.

So if you are trading him for Butler or some combo involving Beal, then I think they could pull it off this offseason, but still very unlikely they scrap this after 25 games unless AD demands he be traded and then the return value goes down as that will come out.

You really have to give it a legit opportunity to work. If it doesn't work out then trade him at the deadline under the premise that two star bigs cannot work in today's game.
Posted by LtKumar
Member since Jul 2016
63 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:41 am to
I was at the game sitting maybe 20 feet from them. At one point Boogie was screaming at Frazier during a timeout, with Frazier not backing down. AD very obviously had enough of Boogie doing so and pushed him away. Boogie also stormed into locker after he was subbed out later. While Dante was waiting to check in for him, Boogie was telling him and coach not to.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62443 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:43 am to
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You really have to give it a legit opportunity to work.


The problem is that at a time when they should be experimenting with how to fit these guys together, Uncle Al is trying to make the playoffs and save his job, possibly at the expense of alienating Cousins. And I'm not saying Cousins isn't alienating himself, it's what he does, but winning rather than integration is clearly the primary objective right now.

This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 10:45 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62443 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:46 am to
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At one point Boogie was screaming at Frazier during a timeout, with Frazier not backing down


Are you aware of a specific play that caused problems, because on the night Frazier took just 3 shots and had 8 assists. Not the kind of stat line that should lead Boogie getting mad at him.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:47 am to
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winning rather than integration is clearly the primary objective right now.



which comes back to an ownership/management with questionable priorities and vision
Posted by LtKumar
Member since Jul 2016
63 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:48 am to
No clue! Nothing seemed out of the ordinary. Pels were going on a run. Next thing I know, Boogie is going at Timmy during a timeout.
Posted by LtKumar
Member since Jul 2016
63 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:50 am to
Also AD in the postgame said stuff about sacrificing stats for winning - after he puts up 28/12. Who else on the team could possible have stats to sacrifice?
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