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re: Mannix: Jrue trade generating significant league wide interest.

Posted on 11/16/20 at 5:36 am to
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 5:36 am to
Yeah that, I think. Too early.
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 6:09 am
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30338 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 6:40 am to
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I have already argued for Horford since the end of the season. He's a leader and would be a perfect fit with Zion. If Philly is going to pay someone to take him, then I think that we make a lot more sense than most anywhere else.


I agree.
I already posted the stats to prove he’s still a very good player. Now I think he may get worst every year from here on out, but Id still want him for his veteran presence while Hayes develops into our starter. He still has at least 1 really good year left and probably another good year after that before he falls off.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17655 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 6:40 am to
Here's a rumored trade some message board insider is saying is pretty much a done deal.

I would puke

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Hawks get #13, #17, and a 2nd (IDK where the 2nd is from yet)
Minny gets #5 and #6
NOP gets #1 to draft Melo and takes on some amount of salary. Maybe Culver who MIN is trying to trade, lol. 
CLE gets #10, Rubio, and Oubre
PHX gets Jrue and either a combo of Exum/Nance Jr. or Kevin Love
MIN wants two of Deni, Obi, or Haliburton. 

Posted by WB504
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
6132 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 6:46 am to
This Hawks “insider” is tripling down on us wanting Melo. Gonna be an interesting week.

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Atlanta has agreed to a framework deal with MIN in a Jrue Holiday deal where they would get #13, #17, and a 2nd rounder for 6th overall pick.


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As mentioned, PHX is targeting Jrue Holiday if CP3 falls through which it will and NO wants a top 5 pick for him. He was told NO wants as little amount of salary for Holiday as possible and would prefer to move him for mainly just cap space. Cleveland has shown interest in moving back and adding Rubio/Oubre. There has been interest in even taking on Kevin Love contract from PHX as well. NO is targeting LaMelo Ball and wants to trade #5 and #13 to MIN for Ball.


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Hawks get #13, #17, and a 2nd (IDK where the 2nd is from yet)
Minny gets #5 and #6
NOP gets #1 to draft Melo and takes on some amount of salary. Maybe Culver who MIN is trying to trade, lol.
CLE gets #10, Rubio, and Oubre
PHX gets Jrue and either a combo of Exum/Nance Jr. or Kevin Love


LINK
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 7:12 am
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37057 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 6:54 am to
You would puke if we turned Jrue and 13 into 1?

I’m not huge on LaMelo, but from a value perspective, I would say that’s pretty good.

ETA: that trade has too many moving parts for me to believe it’ll actually happen though
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 6:55 am
Posted by Jon1798
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
730 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 7:00 am to
The kicker there besides #1 of course is the cap space. What would that put us at? Not taking salary back would be huge.

Edit: PS- can y’all link the Hawks guy again? It’s interesting to follow even if not legit.
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 7:09 am
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
10054 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 7:10 am to
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The kicker there besides #1 of course is the cap space. What would that put us at? Not taking salary back would be huge.




Who’s even out there to use cap space on? I haven’t paid attention to free agents at all because I didn’t think we’d be a player.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130250 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 7:12 am to
quote:

Hawks get #13, #17, and a 2nd (IDK where the 2nd is from yet)
Minny gets #5 and #6
NOP gets #1 to draft Melo and takes on some amount of salary. Maybe Culver who MIN is trying to trade, lol. 
CLE gets #10, Rubio, and Oubre
PHX gets Jrue and either a combo of Exum/Nance Jr. or Kevin Love
MIN wants two of Deni, Obi, or Haliburton. 



Way way way too many moving parts for this to be true. The amount of teams involved and things that need to happen is overly cumbersome.

Also, in my experience “insiders” never know this level of detail on multiple teams. They know their teams side of the deal and another primary team and that’s usually it. This dude may know the Hawks are in on a Jrue trade and a moving part or two but I seriously doubt he knows this level of complication and people like Woj or Shams don’t. When this many teams are involved it’s impossible to keep it secret.


Now the deal: I can understand to a certain degree why Griff would do this. IF he truly sees Lamelo as a 3rd star, then it makes sense to go for it and have a trio of players.

The cap space is nice, but unless he’s trading for someone into it this year’s FA period is absolute trash. He’d have to have plans to sign like 4 players with it.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17655 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 7:15 am to
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You would puke if we turned Jrue and 13 into 1


Yes, there's not a player in this draft worthy of being drafted that high, and that's not even factoring in the cost to move up.

If it's just Jrue for #1, then I could stomach it a little better. Jrue+13? Nope
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 7:16 am
Posted by Jon1798
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
730 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 7:21 am to
I wouldn’t necessarily use the cap space for a FA. I would hope to eat salary for assets. If we could get to the $27.5 or so of Horford’s contract for example, maybe we could add him and more picks. Just as an example.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 7:57 am to
This trade sounds like BS on so many levels.

First, the professionals keep saying the Pels want a top 10 pick. That’s very different from a top 3 pick which you’d be aiming for if Melo was your target.

Second, Atlanta wants a starting caliber vet and they’re willing to trade #6 and Huerter to get one. How does turning #6 into #13 and #17 help Atlanta get what they want?

Third, he says Phoenix’s preference is CP3, they give up Rubio, Oubre and #10. How is that package not good enough to get CP3 which is what this insider implies when he says Phoenix will fail to get CP3?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30338 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 8:02 am to
quote:

Hawks get #13, #17, and a 2nd (IDK where the 2nd is from yet)
Minny gets #5 and #6
NOP gets #1 to draft Melo and takes on some amount of salary. Maybe Culver who MIN is trying to trade, lol.
CLE gets #10, Rubio, and Oubre
PHX gets Jrue and either a combo of Exum/Nance Jr. or Kevin Love


Hawks insider huh, getting details on a 5 team trade huh?

That shite ain't happening.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17655 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 8:06 am to
In the thread he says something about CP3 not wanting to go to Phoenix and he prefers LAC.

It's likely all BS, but never know, and this is speculation time.
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 8:07 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 8:11 am to
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CP3 not wanting to go to Phoenix


I doubt he wanted to go to OKC either. Is he just going to not report? Not reporting with a cheap owner like Sarver seems like a recipe to get called for breach of contract and lose money. I don't see where Paul has leverage to control his destination. He makes too much for teams to idly stand by if he goes on strike. He also is good enough to put Phoenix on his back and get them to the playoffs like he did with OKC.
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 8:12 am
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37057 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 8:44 am to
I think it’s assumed that Presti will attempt to send Paul to a location that he prefers if possible.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 8:54 am to
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ETA: that trade has too many moving parts for me to believe it’ll actually happen though


Exactly. It's some made-up bullshite to try to ram a square peg through a round hole by some thirsty Hawks fan.
Posted by Mystictiger
Florida
Member since Jul 2015
2707 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 8:59 am to
Take Minny out and give us 5 and 6 instead of 1. Draft Halliburton and Pat Williams
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 9:00 am
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13740 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 9:11 am to
quote:

Here's a rumored trade some message board insider is saying is pretty much a done deal.

I would puke

quote:
Hawks get #13, #17, and a 2nd (IDK where the 2nd is from yet)
Minny gets #5 and #6
NOP gets #1 to draft Melo and takes on some amount of salary. Maybe Culver who MIN is trying to trade, lol. 
CLE gets #10, Rubio, and Oubre
PHX gets Jrue and either a combo of Exum/Nance Jr. or Kevin Love
MIN wants two of Deni, Obi, or Haliburton. 

While "insiders" are fun to read, I cannot imagine this is realistic due to the volume of moving parts and that he would have all of that info. He would have to have serious insiders to get that much detail.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130250 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 9:17 am to
Like I said, there are or internet MB posters that get legit info out there. But GENERALLY, they get info on a specific team. And he may know the Hawks end of things, and some generalities, and then he is trying to fill in all of the gaps with a shitload of speculation.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13740 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 9:23 am to
quote:

Like I said, there are or internet MB posters that get legit info out there. But GENERALLY, they get info on a specific team. And he may know the Hawks end of things, and some generalities, and then he is trying to fill in all of the gaps with a shitload of speculation.


Agreed. However, if we basically ended up with Culver and #1 for Jrue and #13, that is not bad return. The only downside is that the whole trade would be to get LeMelo. He just comes across as a player with a high ego and poor decision making.
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