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re: Kings and Pels in trade talks …
Posted on 7/3/24 at 11:14 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Posted on 7/3/24 at 11:14 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
I think you have the wrong team giving out picks. If we give Ingram to Sacramento I would need at least two firsts coming back if not also Devin Carter.
I highly doubt Orlando would be willing to send out any picks for Barnes and Huerter, especially if they’re also giving up WCJ. I do like the idea of trying to swap Huerter for WCJ though. Orlando has a bunch of bigs and needs guards and shooting. There are obviously better centers out there but he’s really grown on me. His defensive numbers are actually pretty good and he actually is enough of a threat to space the floor some. Jonas could make threes but it’s because they were wide open and no one would really even try to contest.
I would try something like:
Kings: Ingram
Magic: Huerter
Pels: Barnes, WCJ, kings 27 1st, kings 29 1st, Devin Carter.
King might not be willing to trade Carter and both of those picks though so you might have to drop one. Not a glamorous trade but it gets us a competent starting center, a decent back up 4, some more assets, and allows Trey to start. This would also save us money to put us further away from the tax or to try to add a backup center so we don’t have to rely too much on Missi.
I highly doubt Orlando would be willing to send out any picks for Barnes and Huerter, especially if they’re also giving up WCJ. I do like the idea of trying to swap Huerter for WCJ though. Orlando has a bunch of bigs and needs guards and shooting. There are obviously better centers out there but he’s really grown on me. His defensive numbers are actually pretty good and he actually is enough of a threat to space the floor some. Jonas could make threes but it’s because they were wide open and no one would really even try to contest.
I would try something like:
Kings: Ingram
Magic: Huerter
Pels: Barnes, WCJ, kings 27 1st, kings 29 1st, Devin Carter.
King might not be willing to trade Carter and both of those picks though so you might have to drop one. Not a glamorous trade but it gets us a competent starting center, a decent back up 4, some more assets, and allows Trey to start. This would also save us money to put us further away from the tax or to try to add a backup center so we don’t have to rely too much on Missi.
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Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:18 am to Pels247
I think people are over exaggerating how raw Missi is. He’s going to have a very easy role on the team: play hard defense, go for rebounds, set screens, and dunk when he’s open. Almost all of that is simply effort based. There’s no reason he can’t have a Derrick Lively like role on the team. Definitely prefer him coming off the bench so he has less pressure but on this team I think he’s fine as the backup 5
Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:25 am to Pels247
quote:
I think you have the wrong team giving out picks. If we give Ingram to Sacramento I would need at least two firsts coming back if not also Devin Carter. I highly doubt Orlando would be willing to send out any picks for Barnes and Huerter, especially if they’re also giving up WCJ. I do like the idea of trying to swap Huerter for WCJ though. Orlando has a bunch of bigs and needs guards and shooting. There are obviously better centers out there but he’s really grown on me. His defensive numbers are actually pretty good and he actually is enough of a threat to space the floor some. Jonas could make threes but it’s because they were wide open and no one would really even try to contest. I would try something like: Kings: Ingram Magic: Huerter Pels: Barnes, WCJ, kings 27 1st, kings 29 1st, Devin Carter. King might not be willing to trade Carter and both of those picks though so you might have to drop one. Not a glamorous trade but it gets us a competent starting center, a decent back up 4, some more assets, and allows Trey to start. This would also save us money to put us further away from the tax or to try to add a backup center so we don’t have to rely too much on Missi.
If the Kings were actually willing to give up 2 1st and those three players for Ingram, I’d rather see the Pels package those assets plus 2 of their firsts to Utah for Lauri and Kessler.
Jazz get: 4 1st (26 & 28 from Pels, 27 & 29 from Kings), Barnes, Huerta
Pels get: Lauri, Kessler
kings get: Ingram
Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:50 am to spaghettioeauxs
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I think people are over exaggerating how raw Missi is. He’s going to have a very easy role on the team: play hard defense, go for rebounds, set screens, and dunk when he’s open. Almost all of that is simply effort based. There’s no reason he can’t have a Derrick Lively like role on the team. Definitely prefer him coming off the bench so he has less pressure but on this team I think he’s fine as the backup 5
The guy has played 3 years of organized basketball. No one is over exaggerating. Expecting him to have a Derrick Lively role just isn’t realistic. I think he has potential but this will definitely be a redshirt year.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 5:25 am to Pels_Yaz
If his college career is any indication, he's going to rack up fouls quickly, and so his ability to stay on the court is a concern. I do not agree that this will be a redshirt year, because I think that he will play, but I don't think that we can depend on him this season.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 7:19 am to lsusa
Jazz get: (4) 1st (25', 27', 29' from Pels, 27' from Kings), (1) swap, Jose, WCJ, Barnes
Pels get: Lauri, Kessler, Tyus, Paul Reed, 29' Kings 1st
Kings get: Ingram
Magic get: Huerter
Wizards get: Val + 2nd via Orlando
76ers get: Missi or 2nd
Pels get: Lauri, Kessler, Tyus, Paul Reed, 29' Kings 1st
Kings get: Ingram
Magic get: Huerter
Wizards get: Val + 2nd via Orlando
76ers get: Missi or 2nd
Posted on 7/4/24 at 7:44 am to Dantheman504
I will say, I applaud your dedication to obtaining a 15 million dollar back up pg.
Why in the hell would we trade a first round pick for Paul Reed?
Why in the hell would we trade a first round pick for Paul Reed?
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:45 am to ThePistol
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Why in the hell would we trade a first round pick for Paul Reed?
What makes you think this with what I put above? I swear y'all want make stuff up just to shite on my posts.
Ainge wants a Bridges type package back. (5) 1st + (1) swap.
Which means he really wants (4) 1st or (3) 1st (2)swaps for JUST Markannen.
The trade above me is saying that Danny Ainge will trade Markannan for (3) 1st and Kessler for (1) 1st straight up.
Y'all see the top one and go "ooh i like that" and look at mine and go "oohh many words, pass"
I could give a frick about just Tyus. You asked something about Reed that doesn't exist and then make the only other comment about Tyus?
How about some actual imput and then a comment of "but i don't like Tyus coming back".
Not trying to be an a-hole to you specifically. Y'all push me into some of these conversations..
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 8:48 am
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:58 am to Dantheman504
quote:
What makes you think this with what I put above?
Probably because you have Missi getting traded for Reed. Missi was just drafted in the first round, so you’re giving up a 1st round pick for Reed, someone who is about to get cut
quote:
76ers get: Missi or 2nd
Instead of this you call Morey and say “Hey you’re about to cut Reed and it will cost you 2.2 million on your cap sheet. Send us that 2.2 million in cash along with Reed and we will send back a fake 2nd. That will give you an additional 2.2 million in cap space”
Thats all you give up for a guy that’s about to be cut ij the NBA
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 9:03 am
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:01 am to ThePistol
In my scenario:
1. We keep Kings 29' 1st instead of our 29' 1st.
2. We swap Missi for Reed.
3. We trade (4) 1st for Lauri
4. We trade (1) swap + Jose for Kessler
5. We upgrade PG
6. Upgrade PF
Y'all like the other one because it makes you feel good?
Y'all really think we are getting Lauri and Kessler for (4) 1st straight up?
I just got Lauri/ Kessler, swapped Reed for Missi, upgraded PF/ PG.
At that point y'all just don't like the post because of me.
Not a single person can even say "wow our roster would be great" its just DV and BS arguments. Holy shite lolol
1. We keep Kings 29' 1st instead of our 29' 1st.
2. We swap Missi for Reed.
3. We trade (4) 1st for Lauri
4. We trade (1) swap + Jose for Kessler
5. We upgrade PG
6. Upgrade PF
Y'all like the other one because it makes you feel good?
Y'all really think we are getting Lauri and Kessler for (4) 1st straight up?
I just got Lauri/ Kessler, swapped Reed for Missi, upgraded PF/ PG.
At that point y'all just don't like the post because of me.
Not a single person can even say "wow our roster would be great" its just DV and BS arguments. Holy shite lolol
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:05 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Probably because you have Missi getting traded for Reed. Missi was just drafted in the first round, so you’re giving up a 1st round pick for Reed,
Understood. I actually tried to wrap that in to appease some people but honestly most here are miserable fricks.
I feel like Reed would be more impactful now as a #2 PF/ #3 C on that team > Missi needing development and no minutes.
Not sure if salary would work with him coming back aswell. He would be a cheaper option at PF than Barnes.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:06 am to Pels247
quote:
Kings: Ingram
Magic: Huerter
Pels: Barnes, WCJ, kings 27 1st, kings 29 1st, Devin Carter.
That would be an ideal return. you can still shop for upgrades at center without needing to rush because WCJ is very solid.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:08 am to Dantheman504
Bigger point is I don't think there's a chance we get Lauri/ Kessler with (4) 1st, especially dealing with Ainge.
I like how the package is set up above mine but it would need another pick/ swap and more teams with assets going out.
I like how the package is set up above mine but it would need another pick/ swap and more teams with assets going out.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:12 am to Dantheman504
quote:
Not sure if salary would work with him coming back aswell.
One thing to remember is starting this year you can take a player into your MLE as part of a trade, and with Reed’s salary he would fit into that, so we technically wouldn’t need his salary to fit into the salary sent out in the trade, just have to have the room under the 1st apron to absorb him.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:18 am to Soggymoss
quote:
One thing to remember is starting this year you can take a player into your MLE as part of a trade, and with Reed’s salary he would fit into that, so we technically wouldn’t need his salary to fit into the salary sent out in the trade, just have to have the room under the 1st apron to absorb him.
Just to lay this out:
Kira MLE= 5.7 mil
Val space = 10mil
Naji space= 9mil
BI space = 37mil
We could technically take back a Reed/ WCJ + Kessler with money from Kira and Val correct?
Can those be added together to take a guy like Barnes/ Tyus or would it have to match the individual deals?
Lauri- BI space
Barnes- BI space
Kessler- Kira MLE
Reed/ WCJ- Val + Naji space
Is believe this is correct if someone can check me on that
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 9:26 am
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:30 am to Dantheman504
quote:
We could technically take back a Reed/ WCJ + Kessler with money from Kira and Val correct?
You can't aggregate a trade exception. But like you laid out, you can use the trade exception as a technically separate trade just for Kessler. Then you can add what ever fits in an expanded Murray trade with Naji and JV's new salary getting added via S&T to their new teams.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 9:31 am
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:41 am to TigerinATL
quote:
You can't aggregate a trade exception. But like you laid out, you can use the trade exception as a technically separate trade just for Kessler. Then you can add what ever fits in an expanded Murray trade with Naji and JV's new salary getting added via S&T to their new teams.
So Kessler w/ Kira MLE = covered
Barnes + WCJ w/ BI space= covered
Val + Naji S&T into Murray deal taking back Tyus= covered (as long as salary is less than Val+Naji
minus money needed in current Murray trade)
This is correct?
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 9:58 am
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:59 am to Dantheman504
quote:Your trade proposals just make no sense whatsoever. it is almost as if you will create whatever unrealistic option you can just to wrap Tyus Jones into it.
Understood. I actually tried to wrap that in to appease some people but honestly most here are miserable fricks.
I feel like Reed would be more impactful now as a #2 PF/ #3 C on that team > Missi needing development and no minutes.
Not sure if salary would work with him coming back aswell. He would be a cheaper option at PF than Barnes.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 10:04 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Your trade proposals just make no sense whatsoever. it is almost as if you will create whatever unrealistic option you can just to wrap Tyus Jones into it.
Actually almost ALL of my trades have made more sense then others. I really like Tyus on this team, the fit actually isn't bad and makes sense. Its not my fault people on here don't have the capacity to process that.
Even if you take Tyus out of the equation all my trades make sense. The only argument you actually have is because of Tyus.
Half the trades people post on here are trades I'VE already discussed or posted 1-2 days ago and got DVed in the process or BS semantics.
And the only difference between those trades is that I'm actually wrapping in logic (like Lauri+ Kessler trade vale), (Like moving other assets), (like rumors and known Pelicans interest in players), (like actually knowing how much space we can use).
While y'all make surface trades that are biased towards the Pels OR not fully evaluating the whole playing field.
That's not my fricking fault.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 10:06 am
Posted on 7/4/24 at 10:10 am to Dantheman504
quote:
So Kessler w/ Kira MLE = covered
This is a TPE, not MLE, but yes.
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