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re: Kings and Pels in trade talks …
Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:14 am to Soggymoss
Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:14 am to Soggymoss
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iterally all Lauri does is has better rebounding numbers
well he is 7' tall, and weighs 240lbs, so like most guys that size that play the 5, yeah he's going to rebound better than a guy that's 6'9-6'10" and weighs 215ish pounds.
Lauri has very similar defensive stats as Al Horford. Neither of them are Rudy Gobert protecting the rim, but they are both much better players to use in a switch everything defense b/c they are better perimeter defenders than most 5's.
When you have Herb/Murray/Trey/Zion/Lauri on the court, it's a lot easier to just switch every pick and still maintain good perimeter defense, which is how you protect the rim without a true rim protector.
I"m not trading Trey to get Lauri, which i'm sure Utah wants, but i could care less if it takes Hawkins and 4 1sts to get him.
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:19 am to Soggymoss
My biggest concern with Lauri is his availability.
His year by year games played are:
68 (Rookie year)
52
50
51
61
66
55 (2023-24)
His year by year games played are:
68 (Rookie year)
52
50
51
61
66
55 (2023-24)
Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:30 am to Mickey Goldmill
I don't really get the Trey vs Lauri talk. Lauri is a much more complete scorer than Trey is. That's not saying Trey can't get there, but right now they're pretty different.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:30 am to GOP_Tiger
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Pels get: Heurter, Vucevic, maybe Bulls pick of some kind?, Kings 1st
Kings get: BI
Bulls get: Barnes
Gross
Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:31 am to CP3forMVP
The whole point of the Lauri thing is somehow being able to keep Trey and Lauri. Ideally Trey becomes similar or better than Lauri, but having both would be beautiful
Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:32 am to Mickey Goldmill
and i'd rather get back Barnes/Huerter/Kessler than just Lauri.
I used to think we need a good 3 point shooting 5 with Zion, and it would help, but i'm not paying that player $50M/yr, and that's what Lauri is going to want, like KAT.
I used to think we need a good 3 point shooting 5 with Zion, and it would help, but i'm not paying that player $50M/yr, and that's what Lauri is going to want, like KAT.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:38 am to TeddyPadillac
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and i'd rather get back Barnes/Huerter/Kessler than just Lauri
Murray-30
CJ- 30
Herb- 30
Trey- 30
Zion- 30
Kessler- 25
Jose- 16
Hawkins- 16
Huerter- 16
Barnes- 16
I just don't see how these minutes work or if we get the best out of everyone.
At that point it looks worth it to take a Jose + Huerter and get someone better to play 30min.
(From a fit standpoint) not saying Jose or Huerter are negative assets or aren't valued.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:50 am to TeddyPadillac
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but i could care less if it takes Hawkins and 4 1sts to get him.
Nahhh, frick all that. After looking further into him I can guarantee you whoever traded for Lauri will regret it by midseason when he’s looking like Cleveland/Chicago Lauri when he’s relegated to 3rd option
Posted on 7/3/24 at 10:03 am to Dantheman504
quote:
I just don't see how these minutes work or if we get the best out of everyone.
That's b/c CJ needs to go if we have Huerter and Hawkins to come off the bench. There is no need to have all 3 guys on the team, all coming off the bench.
To me Huerter is the guy i want b/c he'd be ok coming off the bench and being a scorer for us, and he costs half of what CJ cost, and CJ is the odd man out in the starting lineup.
If...big if, Hawkins can turn into a really solid role player, then CJ's shooting isn't needed here anymore with much cheaper Huerter/Hawkins taking that role.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 10:23 am to TeddyPadillac
Agreed. But if CJ is our #1 shooting option and a #1 6th man then you keep him for now.
The obvious solution would be to keep CJ and develop Hawk. Then replace CJ for another piece or someone to put behind Herb/ Trey/ Hawk on the depth chart if Hawk is legit.
You have to use CJ/ Hawk. Huerter is kinda repetative.
They only upgrades that actually make sense is C, PF, and backup PG.
The obvious solution would be to keep CJ and develop Hawk. Then replace CJ for another piece or someone to put behind Herb/ Trey/ Hawk on the depth chart if Hawk is legit.
You have to use CJ/ Hawk. Huerter is kinda repetative.
They only upgrades that actually make sense is C, PF, and backup PG.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 10:31 am to Soggymoss
I really do not think Lauri is a viable option for the Pelicans. My guess is Ainge is feeding our name out there to leverage against those actually interested in him. I would think we may have inquired abut Kessler.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 12:33 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Lauri has very similar defensive stats as Al Horford.
Say what now? Al Horford has averaged over a block a game every year for his entire career. He has at least one all defensive team and has finished with votes for DPOY 3 times. What defensive stats of his are comparable to Lauri Markkanen?
Posted on 7/3/24 at 12:59 pm to Pelican707
Could this work as a 3-team?
Kings return: Brandon Ingram
Orlando return: Barnes and Heurter
Pelicans Receive: Wendell Carter Jr, Magic’s own 2025 1st and Magic’s acquired 2026 first (more favorable of either PHX or WAS)
Kings return: Brandon Ingram
Orlando return: Barnes and Heurter
Pelicans Receive: Wendell Carter Jr, Magic’s own 2025 1st and Magic’s acquired 2026 first (more favorable of either PHX or WAS)
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:11 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Why would the Magic give up 2 1sts for Barnes and Huerter while sending out WCJ? It seems like WCJ and one of Barnes or Huerter is a wash, so they are giving up 2 1sts for the other.
On top of that, those are likely to be pretty weak 1sts as the main return for Ingram.
On top of that, those are likely to be pretty weak 1sts as the main return for Ingram.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:13 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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What defensive stats of his are comparable to Lauri Markkanen?
I'm not talking about 28 year old Horford.
Horford is a really good perimeter defender for a big guy. That's the comparison.
His stats this past year at protecting the rim weren't good at all, and similar to Lauri's. Both allowed over 60%+ shooting. Both defended the 3 ball well, Horford's 35% better than Markannen's 39%. Both were good in isolation, with Markannen a good bit better than Horford.
Horford is a good defender with Boston b/c he can switch everything, same as Tatum, Brown, Jrue and White. They don't play stupid arse drop coverage with him like they do with Porzingis, or like we are forced to do with JV and every other center we've had. Our defense was better with Larry b/c he could switch and still defend decently. Lauri can do that as well, and playing with Murray/Herb/Trey, and an in shape Zion that can move his feet, makes a big difference.
I think Willie wants to move away from the big center and drop coverage. He wants to play the defense they played with Larry, switching everything. Lauri allows that a lot more than Kessler does.
But i also see what Kessler provides to a defense. We were a team that held opponents to low 3 point shooting all year, 2nd best 3P% defensively, despite the fact that we gave up the 2nd most attempts per game.. That's b/c we sold out to challenge attempts or run guys off the line. You can't really do that if you have no rim protection, but when you have Kessler hanging around, then your perimeter guys are all closing out hard and being more aggressive on the perimeter.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:20 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Could this work as a 3-team?
You do realize if we do this, we only have 6 guys on the team anyone would feel confident playing quality playoff minutes, and i'm having to include Jose in those 6.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:24 pm to TigerinATL
Well with Carter they don’t have a ton of leverage as it’s been rumored for a while that he’s not in their future plans. Them signing Goga, Wagner and Isaac this offseason reinforces that thinking a good bit. If they have all 4 then who is the odd man out? Paolo is going to take most of the minutes at power forward so there isn’t much room to spread minutes around. Given that, I think a return of two contributors at the wing position for a center you won’t play and 2 picks that still won’t leave you without picks in those drafts is a fair deal.
As for us, it gives us an additional pick in a loaded 2025 draft, a potentially very valuable 2026 pick from Washington and a starting center. Not an ideal haul for an all-star forward, but I’ve seen worse online
As for us, it gives us an additional pick in a loaded 2025 draft, a potentially very valuable 2026 pick from Washington and a starting center. Not an ideal haul for an all-star forward, but I’ve seen worse online
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You do realize if we do this, we only have 6 guys on the team anyone would feel confident playing quality playoff minutes, and i'm having to include Jose in those 6
Isn’t that how many we have today? It’s tough for me to gauge what all we’re expecting to get in return for BI. I’m just trying to be conservative with my expectations.
It just seems to me that, if we don’t trade BI, we will not be able to acquire another center to start the season. I don’t see what free agent or what other assets could get us a big without us going into the 1st apron, which isn’t going to happen. So at this point a deal for a quality big and multiple assets that shaves 20 some odd million dollars off the cap sheet makes sense to me
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I'm not talking about 28 year old Horford
lol alright then that’s fair. When I read that I just had flashbacks of him swatting away everything in Atlanta and thought “what the hell is this dude talking about?”
Posted on 7/3/24 at 2:14 pm to NOSHAU
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I really do not think Lauri is a viable option for the Pelicans
Well Utah values him as a franchise player so I doubt he's even on the table.
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