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re: Just to show you how badly we need to upgrade Jonas
Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:04 am to PELsu
Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:04 am to PELsu
Adams is very good for a regular season guy. His usefulness drops drastically in the postseason where he gets targeted.
He spent at least one series on the bench for Memphis because he was a horrible matchup.
Is he a shitty player? No. But he costs as much as JV and has some pretty big limits on what he can do in the postseason.
He spent at least one series on the bench for Memphis because he was a horrible matchup.
Is he a shitty player? No. But he costs as much as JV and has some pretty big limits on what he can do in the postseason.
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:05 am to PELsu
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he is massively better defensively and I wouldn’t think anyone would argue that.
He wasn't here. The DRtg was 5 points worse with Adams on the court, 115 with Adams on court and 110.1 with him off court. Even Post ASB after Zion was in shape and playing better defense, the DRtg with Adams on the court was improved, 113.3, but the spread when he was off got even bigger, 107.3 or 6 points better when Adams wasn't playing. LINK
I'm not saying it couldn't work, maybe it was all Bledsoe not giving a frick, but we've already seen it not work so I don't think we can assume it would if he came back.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:05 am to PELsu
I don't disagree with a lot of takes in here, and I also believe we shouldn't have gone after a big before the trade deadline. Thankfully we didn't have good counteroffers.
I feel like our best move at this point is to draft our future center in Derek Lively, cut ties with JV in another year, and see if we can get another star player that can provide 3 point shooting with JV + other salary.
I feel like our best move at this point is to draft our future center in Derek Lively, cut ties with JV in another year, and see if we can get another star player that can provide 3 point shooting with JV + other salary.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 10:07 am
Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:08 am to PELsu
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Love seeing Nance so high, that’s pretty interesting.
If you look at the top 5 +/- 2 man lineups for the Pels this year, Larry Nance is in 4 of them.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:11 am to TeddyPadillac
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We simply need another role player that is better defensively.
100%…but I don’t think you need or have to move JV to get it because you can also build a better interior D by getting a bigger/legit PF to play along side our current 5s. Doesn’t have to be a superstar, but a player that can fit in your top 8-10 would be crazy helpful.
If Jax had his head on he would be perfect, but even a similar guy like Obi Toppin could be huge. Of course I kept saying Olynyk, but other similar bigger shooting vets like Muscala (both 6’11” 240lb guys shooting 40%+ from 3pt) were moved relatively cheap and could provide both needed Zion insurance and shooting if Willy would play them with Larry.
***Draft can work too, but most of the rookie 4/5s need a lot of seasoning to be playable in crunch time unless they are really unusual. So my presumption is the Pels will be be better off with a less athletic stretch 4/5 that is smart and won’t price the Pels out.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 10:59 am
Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:30 am to StrongOffer
quote:Right now we do. And while I get that our 2 stars are often injured, if your plan is to keep the 2 stars, you HAVE to build a team around them that assumes they're healthy.
This is exactly right. We need Jonas' offense.
Meaning, if BI/Zion/CJ are healthy IMO we are better off with a really good defensive center than we would be with JVal.
The obvious issue is...how do you get one of those really good defensive centers. Teams that have one aren't exactly dying to trade them away.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:32 am to htran90
quote:We'd have to trade CJ to make it happen, but we would certainly be better if we did.
Still sticking to Bam is our answer if Miami ever traded him.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:39 am to PELsu
quote:Maybe we just don't know how to use or have the right center for this squad.
And the Grizz have completely gone off the rails since he got hurt.
I just looked up STeven Adams, and he had a very small positive plus/minus his 1 year with us but the other 7 years(of the last 8) he's had a much higher plus/minus every single season. The Pels season being the only outlier.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:42 am to TigerinATL
quote:Dang, wouldn't have guessed that.
The DRtg was 5 points worse with Adams on the court,
In fact, the defense this season with Val on the court is better(though not good) than the defense when Adams was on the court his 1 season with us.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:54 am to shel311
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The obvious issue is...how do you get one of those really good defensive centers.
Larry is 12th on that list…he is a lot like what we would want…a smart and mobile veteran small ball 5 with enough length and athleticism to provide rim protection.
Outside of another max or near-max guy, Larry is pretty darn close to the target.
2023 D-Lebron of 1.8 and WAR of 2.6
***also worth remembering that Steven Adams is often playing with JJjr at the 4 who is the best shot blocker in the league at the moment
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 11:25 am
Posted on 2/14/23 at 11:05 am to BamaPelican
Here's a few scatter plots of just centers with 800> minutes:
>Better Defensive Impact
^More switchability
As you can see our guy Jonas has had one of the lower defensive impacts this year, as well as the only guy showing to be less switchable being Mitchell Robinson
>Matchup Difficulty
^Screener Rim Defense
Honestly took me a minute to find Jonas here
and this one I just found funny because of Siakam:
>Better Defensive Impact
^More switchability
As you can see our guy Jonas has had one of the lower defensive impacts this year, as well as the only guy showing to be less switchable being Mitchell Robinson
>Matchup Difficulty
^Screener Rim Defense
Honestly took me a minute to find Jonas here
and this one I just found funny because of Siakam:
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 11:12 am
Posted on 2/14/23 at 12:26 pm to shel311
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I just looked up STeven Adams, and he had a very small positive plus/minus his 1 year with us but the other 7 years(of the last 8) he's had a much higher plus/minus every single season. The Pels season being the only outlier.
Well he shared the court with Eric Bledsoe, Zion was terrible defensively as was BI, Reddick played heavy minutes, and his coach was a dumbass.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 1:10 pm to shel311
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The obvious issue is...how do you get one of those really good defensive centers. Teams that have one aren't exactly dying to trade them away.
Brook Lopez is a UFA this summer. Of course, you expect him to re-sign with the Bucks, but you never know. Dude is 34 years old and about to get his final deal.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 1:23 pm to PELsu
Better defense from the guards would help… Jonas is often in no man land where he has to leave his man to try and stop players who has beat his man but when he does the person he’s guarding is now open
Posted on 2/14/23 at 1:27 pm to M3From225
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Better defense from the guards would help
Enter Josh Richardson
Posted on 2/14/23 at 1:58 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:In the hypothetical, I assume it has to be a sign and trade? I'd think he'd definitely be worth more than the MLE.
Brook Lopez is a UFA this summer. Of course, you expect him to re-sign with the Bucks, but you never know. Dude is 34 years old and about to get his final deal.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 2:02 pm to shel311
Receiving a S&T means you're locking in to staying under the Tax Apron. The Bucks are already a tax team so you'd probably need to bring in a 3rd team to pay to offload salary onto. You'd have to really think someone that will be 35 next season was the missing piece to go to all of that trouble and expense.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 2:17 pm to TigerinATL
Someone like San Antonio may be selling cap space for picks this offseason if they don’t get Wemby.
Doesn’t mean that doing so will be cheap.
I’d rather take our chances on a straight trade, bringing over our sign and trade guy, or scrounging for a MLE level guy than paying Lopez for several years. Big men age like milk.
Doesn’t mean that doing so will be cheap.
I’d rather take our chances on a straight trade, bringing over our sign and trade guy, or scrounging for a MLE level guy than paying Lopez for several years. Big men age like milk.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 2:50 pm to shel311
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assume it has to be a sign and trade
hed be unrestricted free agent.
doesnt unrestricted mean hes free to do as he pleases and Milwaukee has no claim to compensation, at all. ??
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 3:00 pm to CelticDog
Problem is we are over the cap, which means we can offer the MLE at most without a sign and trade.
Considering we were staring straight into the tax for next season before flipping Graham for J Rich, there is no way for us to clear enough cap space to pay market value for Lopez without cutting the team.
Considering we were staring straight into the tax for next season before flipping Graham for J Rich, there is no way for us to clear enough cap space to pay market value for Lopez without cutting the team.
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