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re: Jahlil Okafor Trade Memorial Trade Speculation Thread
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:43 pm to Jester
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:43 pm to Jester
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I'd prefer Vucevic over Okafor or Lopez
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TRADE PROPOSAL
Orlando gives: Nikola Vucevic
New Orleans gives: Tyreke Evans, Terrence Jones, 2018 first-round pick w/ limited protection
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:44 pm to cgrand
Where can I sign?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:45 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Agreed. The smart way forward seems to be keeping your investments in center constrained, except in rare cases(KAT, Cousins), because you will get a much better return on that same money or talent level at pretty much any other position in today's game.
I dont get why you would burn a 1st rd pick for an offensive center especially if you could use 2nds to dump some salary, stretch Asik and sign Monroe who actually seems to want to come here.
Keep the 2018 pick and if you absolutely feel the need to trade the picks, then you can use both the 2017 and 2018 picks to go after a real wing on draft night instead of wasting assets on one dimensional centers.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:49 pm to NOFOX
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sign Monroe who actually seems to want to come here.
Monroe also is a proven good scorer, not a potentially good scorer, has always been a good rebounder and a good passer. And I agree, if we put feelers out that we would sign him for whatever his market value is, I think he'd opt out and sign with the Pels. If the plan is having proven guys to sell Jrue on the core. Monroe would be better than Okafor for that, and like you said, keeping your pick.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:37 pm to TigerinATL
What is Monroe's market value? He's set to make close to 18 million next year.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:53 pm to TigerinATL
I don't see why you would burn a first for a center. If you're going to burn a first, burn it on a SF or SG.
If we can't attract a good SG or SF, then the only way to get one is to trade for one, or draft one.
Getting an all star SG/SF, is 10x's better than getting an all star C.
If we do nothing different but get a better center, we might win a 3 or 4 more games at best. You get an all star level SG/SF, we could easily win 10+ more next year.
If we can't attract a good SG or SF, then the only way to get one is to trade for one, or draft one.
Getting an all star SG/SF, is 10x's better than getting an all star C.
If we do nothing different but get a better center, we might win a 3 or 4 more games at best. You get an all star level SG/SF, we could easily win 10+ more next year.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:58 pm to TigerinATL
Monroe has to be better than JO on D, too. Has to be.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:12 pm to novowels
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What is Monroe's market value?
Generally speaking a top bench player is what the MLE has often been used on, so I'd say his market value should be in the $8-$10 million range. But would he really leave 1/$18 for 4/$35-45 when he could get that same deal a year later? I'm thinking if he opts out because you want him to you might have to promise him something like 4/$50-$60.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:18 pm to TigerinATL
I wish I knew what we wanted in a center. I thought it was a big bruiser who could take the bumps and bruises down low that AD was being subjected to. But the two names that have been mentioned (Okafor and Lopez) are both terrible rebounders and more offensive-minded players.
If only Asik could a) make a layup/dunk and b) catch a basketball and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
If only Asik could a) make a layup/dunk and b) catch a basketball and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:04 pm to novowels
The FO is definitely Schizo, but GM can rebound.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:06 pm to novowels
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two names that have been mentioned (Okafor and Lopez) are both terrible rebounders and more offensive-minded players.
FIsher had a smart piece today on this
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Of the four worst two-man pairings on defense for Anthony Davis three feature current centers (Donatas Motiejunas, Alexis Ajinca, and Omer Asik) and the fourth is rookie Buddy Hield. Let’s set aside Buddy, he’s a rookie doing what typical rookies do to team defense. What’s happening when Davis has to play power forward? The entire defensive scheme must change. An amoeba that switches nearly every screen suddenly has a lumbering big man to protect. Screens must be fought over instead of easily switched. That creates cascading problems due to trying to play two different defenses depending on the personnel on the floor.
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Acquiring Brook Lopez or Jahlil Okafor is not just going to put a lesser defender on the floor for New Orleans; a tax the Pelicans are willing to pay for better offensive production. It is going to make every single defender worse by changing core defensive principles and requiring players to think more on that end of the court. It will dismantle the one bright spot this season has provided and require the defense to be built again from the ground up. The foundation of that new defensive scheme will be a poor defender ill-equipped to play in the modern NBA.
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I wish I knew what we wanted in a center
right. that they are 5 years in and havent really begun to figure out who should play next to Davis is just nuts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:24 pm to corndeaux
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they are 5 years in and havent really begun to figure out who should play next to Davis is just nuts
In the end the answer might be Diallo and AD just continuing to get stronger. If you can't find a 15 MPG bruiser in the next 2 years, just use that 2018 pick in 2018 to trade for one of the recently taken euro bigs that's more ready for prime time. One of Zubac or Zizic might be Nurkic in a few years.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:30 pm to novowels
Don't be fooled Lopez is a good team rebounder. Much like Robin, he clears the space under the hoop for others to swoop in on the ball.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:41 pm to TigerinATL
with regard to okafor:
an alternative:
read the whole thing (it's frighteningly smart)
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The rumored interest in Jahlil Okafor seems to address the exact opposite needs for a team in the midst of massive defensive improvement and saddled with a scoring efficiency problem. And the fact that the trio of Davis, Cunningham and Hill are punking opponents at a +10.6 per 48 clip in 368 minutes makes it even harder to square that circle. In general, New Orleans needs to be seeking deals that make life easier for Davis on both ends of the floor and it’s unclear to see where the post-centric, no-defense game Okafor possesses does that.
an alternative:
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So if the team has any concerns about committing big money to Holiday in free agency (or him refusing to take it), the Pelicans would be best served to explore potential deals before the deadline. Given the dearth of playmaking on the roster, targeting a player like the aforementioned Rubio at the deadline would be an interesting move -- and may only take Evans’ expiring contract and less valued assets to make happen. Rubio would be a great fit in Gentry’s system, allow Holiday to slide to a combo guard role (which seems ideal for him) and give Davis a true playmaker at point guard for the first time since Ish Smith left town last season.
read the whole thing (it's frighteningly smart)
LINK
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:54 pm to cgrand
It's common sense. No realist could have ever possibly liked Okafor. Only an optimist could because you are banking on the very small chance that he changes
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 5:03 pm to cgrand
If you could get Rubio for Evans + small parts you have to consider it.
I would then turn around and see if I could move Jrue and the pick for the best deal.
If you can get a Fournier from the Magic for some deal that's fair, you've got the beginning of a pretty versatile lineup.
I would then turn around and see if I could move Jrue and the pick for the best deal.
If you can get a Fournier from the Magic for some deal that's fair, you've got the beginning of a pretty versatile lineup.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 5:10 pm to cgrand
I wouldn't mind trying to get Rubio, especially if it would only cost us Evans and a small asset.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 5:17 pm to Fun Bunch
Is Rubio even available?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 5:20 pm to cgrand
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read the whole thing (it's frighteningly smart)
When I said trade for Rubio and keep Holiday it got downvoted hard because "Are you stupid? Rubio can't shoot!", but Ish ran the offense as effectively as Holiday/Tyreke last season.
ORtg from last year
Holiday 105.6
Ish 105.1
Tyreke 104.5
And Ish played a lot of those minutes early in the year when the team was extra garbage.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 5:40 pm to Peregrine Laziosi
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Is Rubio even available?
I kinda doubt it. Dunn was supposed to replace him but he's been really bad so far.
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