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Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:01 pm to Crewz
quote:So, earlier you said we may need to max out Jrue to keep him. Now you are saying that in addition to that we have to sell him by bringing in name players? If that is the case, trade him and move on. After what this organization did for him during a difficult time for him and his family, if he is going to be that difficult to "please", then I would move on.
They are trying to add names/talent in an effort to keep Jrue. I get the urgency and the logic, but go get actual talent, not a guy with a skill set that is useless outside of giving you 20mpg off the bench. That isn't gonna excite Jrue. Go get Brook Lopez and then a wing with the 2017 pick. That will keep Jrue here. You still won't get past the first round, but at least you will have relevant talent
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:13 pm to NOSHAU
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After what this organization did for him during a difficult time for him and his family
i mean, they let a guy have time off to take care of his new born child and wife post cancer surgery. there's nothing noteworthy about it.
that's just basic human charity
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:14 pm to corndeaux
And he won't give a frick about that come FA.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:17 pm to corndeaux
quote:You think any team would have just told him to take his time and not press him to come back ASAP all the while paying him for that time off? He has said how much he appreciated it and that management went above and beyond.
i mean, they let a guy have time off to take care of his new born child and wife post cancer surgery. there's nothing noteworthy about it. that's just basic human charity
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:20 pm to Fun Bunch
nor should he.
if the organization is shitty, like we all proclaim here every day, why should he let a display of basic human understanding lead him to signing on long term.
He can say "I truly appreciate the organization and how they treated me. Yet, I want to be closer to my family" or "I want to play for something beyond the 8 seed in my career" or "This new organization is a better fit for me as I enter the next phase of my career"
if the organization is shitty, like we all proclaim here every day, why should he let a display of basic human understanding lead him to signing on long term.
He can say "I truly appreciate the organization and how they treated me. Yet, I want to be closer to my family" or "I want to play for something beyond the 8 seed in my career" or "This new organization is a better fit for me as I enter the next phase of my career"
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:22 pm to NOSHAU
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You think any team would have just told him to take his time and not press him to come back ASAP all the while paying him for that time off?
Yes
ETA- even if I'm a cynical a-hole uneasy about giving him time off. How does forcing him to play in his situation help anything? You think he forgets about his family duress or how you refused to let him take time off to take care of them? How well does he play for you? How do other players in the locker room and around the league look at you?
It's not only poor human skills, it's fricking dumb business skills
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:29 pm to corndeaux
quote:It's not just that he was given the time off (however much he wanted with pay) but also the additional money that the Pelicans can give him compared to the rest of the NBA. Crewz has intimated that it likely will be near max. So, I would think those two combined would be enough to keep him. However, if we have to trade assets for "names" to convince him to stay, on top of the other two items, I think it is getting ridiculous. He is not a KD or superstar that we should have to sell him on "names" IMO.
nor should he. if the organization is shitty, like we all proclaim here every day, why should he let a display of basic human understanding lead him to signing on long term. He can say "I truly appreciate the organization and how they treated me. Yet, I want to be closer to my family" or "I want to play for something beyond the 8 seed in my career" or "This new organization is a better fit for me as I enter the next phase of my career"
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:30 pm to NOSHAU
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You think any team would have just told him to take his time and not press him to come back ASAP all the while paying him for that time off?
Uh yes at least the vast majority. Can you imshine the PR nightmare had the Pels said nope sorry Jrue, you need to get ur arse back to work ASAP.
Hell the Jazz let Derek Fisher out of his contract so he could tend to his daughter, and you think most teams would pressure him to come back ASAP?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:33 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
However, if we have to trade assets for "names" to convince him to stay, on top of the other two items, I think it is getting ridiculous
Agree completely. making dumb trades to increase chances of maybe keeping him is missing the forest for the trees.
Send him to Philly for the Kings pick or the Lakers. Take whatever you can get if you're not convinced he will take your $$.
of course, the only hitch is Davis. this team has backed itself into a corner. it's likely going to be very, very bad
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:37 pm to WB504
quote:You think most teams would have allowed him to decide his own timetable while still paying him? Fisher was let out of his contract (i.e. not paid).
Uh yes at least the vast majority. Can you imshine the PR nightmare had the Pels said nope sorry Jrue, you need to get ur arse back to work ASAP. Hell the Jazz let Derek Fisher out of his contract so he could tend to his daughter, and you think most teams would pressure him to come back ASAP?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 5:01 pm to NOSHAU
The only thing i think Jrue owes this team is letting the team know his intentions. If he has no plans on re upping no matter what, speak now.
The pels did him a solid that if anything else looks good to other free agents. But what else were they supposed to do? They really couldnt have said no for PR reasons.
I dont think Jrue has to stick with this team for life based on that but i do think he should be upfront with them.
The pels did him a solid that if anything else looks good to other free agents. But what else were they supposed to do? They really couldnt have said no for PR reasons.
I dont think Jrue has to stick with this team for life based on that but i do think he should be upfront with them.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 5:16 pm to Fun Bunch
the case for vucevic
LINK
quote:
I’m sorry, but Okafor looks like a ticking time bomb — either he winds up being as large of a disappointment as all the models predict, or worse, the shady Philly front office unloads their second injury-just-waiting-to-happen player and his knee explodes inside Dell Demps’ office.
quote:
Thanks to AD’s skillset, the ideal candidate doesn’t need to be a highly sought after two-way player — hence one of the major reasons for pursuing Okafor. He only would have to be able to hold his own offensively and offer another certifiable characteristic; in Vucevic’s case that would be rebounding, with the added bonus of a real passing touch.
Nikola’s defensive rebounding percentage currently ranks 7th among all NBA players who have appeared in 750 or more minutes this season, and he’s fared well in the category through the course of his career. However, an interesting new wrinkle has developed in his game over the last few seasons that makes him such an interesting trade candidate: playmaking.
LINK
Posted on 2/14/17 at 5:24 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
You think most teams would have allowed him to decide his own timetable while still paying him? Fisher was let out of his contract (i.e. not paid).
it wasn't like he made his own timetable. All reports were that he was in constant contact with the organization. Not like he went AWOL. But like others have said, what exactly were the Pels supposed to do?
As for fisher, I was using him as an example of a team showing special consideration for a player.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 5:49 pm to WB504
I'd prefer Vucevic over Okafor or Lopez. Lopez is just a bad idea.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 6:18 pm to Jester
I would rank them (assuming they were similar costs)
1. Lopez
2. Vuc
3. Okafor
1. Lopez
2. Vuc
3. Okafor
Posted on 2/14/17 at 6:22 pm to Crewz
Talent and fit wise yeah, but if I have to factor in health and cost, well, honestly, when I factor all that in the only one I want is Vucevic.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 6:26 pm to NOLA Bronco
I think the ball gets moved more with Lopez on the floor and the spacing is amazing. Vuc gets you some more rebounding and is cheaper, I get that. It's close for me.
I can't make any argument for Okafor. I wouldn't even be excited to get him for free
I can't make any argument for Okafor. I wouldn't even be excited to get him for free
Posted on 2/14/17 at 6:29 pm to Crewz
Then Thats who demps is gonna get.... 
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 2/14/17 at 6:42 pm to Crewz
quote:Would take the cheaper, younger guy who gives you offense and rebounding in Vucevic. However, it was reported that Magic not interested in Pels offer. Any chance of him?
I think the ball gets moved more with Lopez on the floor and the spacing is amazing. Vuc gets you some more rebounding and is cheaper, I get that. It's close for me. I can't make any argument for Okafor. I wouldn't even be excited to get him for free
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