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re: Is there anyone left that still believes Zion isn't a lost cause?
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:03 am to LongDevice
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:03 am to LongDevice
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Wemby would be an MVP candidate if the Spurs were a better team. 29/8/6 on 62"% is EASILY MVP numbers if you are a top 3 team.
Whose numbers are you posting there? Wemby is 25/11/4/4. Those are great. But it's not MVP level.
To realistically be a true MVP candidate, Zion would have to be 30+ppg on great shooting numbers and solid additional numbers, preferably double digit rebounds or assists. He has to stand out, especially if we aren't a top 4 team in the conference.
I know this sounds like a minor point or that I'm quibbling over trivial language. But people intentionally use that phase (MVP level) to prove a pont. It's just not true..
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Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:23 am to brmark70816
27/7/5 on 62% in year 2 is BY FAR better than all of the players 2nd seasons who are in the MVP conversation. Matter of fact, it's not close in most cases. Luka is the only person who could compete.
30/8/8 on 62% is easily achievable and that would be MVP numbers if he is on a top team. As I said before, his FG% is what pushes him over his peers. He just doesn't miss shots. He probably doesn't even have 20 games in his career when he should under 50%.
Giannis and Jokic are shooting great percentages now, but Zion was the one to set the standard for it in year 2.
30/8/8 on 62% is easily achievable and that would be MVP numbers if he is on a top team. As I said before, his FG% is what pushes him over his peers. He just doesn't miss shots. He probably doesn't even have 20 games in his career when he should under 50%.
Giannis and Jokic are shooting great percentages now, but Zion was the one to set the standard for it in year 2.
This post was edited on 1/12/25 at 8:24 am
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:00 pm to Broski
I think if the old insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results line applies, everyone expecting this dude to do anything in his career are fricking crazy as shite at this point
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:40 pm to Broski
I’d love nothing more for him to come back strong and want to be the pillar of this franchise but after his interview with the media the day before he returned where he just came off as kind of a smartass and arrogant. Maybe it was just me but he was just there to frick with the media. If Zion doesn’t get traded and plays the rest of the year well and u jury free then I would think about keeping him while we get a lottery pick in a fairly deep draft. BI would have to go unless he’s willing to take under the max and he clearly thinks he's deserving of it for some reason. He’s a $140-$160 million type player to me.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:24 pm to LongDevice
By Z’s actions, he shows he really dies not want to be here. He will get injured less when he gets to his next team.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 8:41 pm to LSUPilot07
Buncha bitchers in here. Grass ain’t greener.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 9:19 pm to LongDevice
quote:You realize MVP numbers nowadays are something like 32/10/9 right?
He will put up MVP numbers
Posted on 1/12/25 at 9:21 pm to habz007
quote:He's proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, even if you only consider when he's on court and not injuries, that he's nowhere near the #1 option he should be.
I’ve seen and we’ve watched what he can do for us
Posted on 1/12/25 at 9:23 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Those days are over.
and as soon as he plays well enough to raise his trade value he'll be too valuable to trade.
If he's played so well that he's "too valuable to trade" we need to trade him ASAP.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 9:26 pm to New City Champ
quote:Last season in those 70 games, he proved he's not a legit #1 dude on a legit team. Last season was arguably the most damning Zion season t it ended the "imagine if he stayed healthy" hopes. He stayed healthy, he was a good player but not high more. Nowhere near as good as you need a #1 to be.
I'd slow our roll a little bit. Not much of this kind of talk last year when he played 70 games for the Pels. He was having a great game, dominating the Lakers and LeBron in the play in when his hamstring flared up.
Fine if you want to say enough is enough with his injuries, but I thought he played hard for us most of last year and came into this year in pretty good shape
Also, "pretty good shape" is a bad thing.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 9:30 pm to LongDevice
quote:Luka averaged 32/8/9 over the last 3 seasons and was never a serious threat to win an MVP.
Jokic is an anomaly
quote:Wait what?
Year 2 Zion had a better season than year 2 Wemby is right now
Year 2 Zion isn't even close to year 2 Wemby. Not at all. Wemby is giving you 90% of Zion on offense while being arguably the best defensive player in the NBA, to Zion being a very poor defender year 2 . It's just not close.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 9:32 pm to LongDevice
quote:Sure, for a few players.
30/8/8 on 62% is easily achievable
Zion will never sniff those numbers, no chance.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 2:45 am to shel311
So FG% just doesn't exist right?
When you shoot damn near 15% higher than someone else, that just doesn't matter right?
When you shoot damn near 15% higher than someone else, that just doesn't matter right?
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:02 am to LongDevice
Zion is 4 years removed from those year 2 numbers. It’s more likely that he will never achieve those numbers again, than he is to improve on them.
He’s undisciplined, body is even more broken down since year 2, arguably exiting his athletic prime, hasn’t shown much development or improvement, good defenses shut him down, and he no longer gets respect on whistles bc he’s largely an embarrassment to the league and their partners.
His numbers will never be good enough, he will never be a good enough 1 on a team to be considered (he’s better suited as a 4th option on an actual title level team), and he’s just flat out not marketable and no longer moves the needle in the nba.
He’s undisciplined, body is even more broken down since year 2, arguably exiting his athletic prime, hasn’t shown much development or improvement, good defenses shut him down, and he no longer gets respect on whistles bc he’s largely an embarrassment to the league and their partners.
His numbers will never be good enough, he will never be a good enough 1 on a team to be considered (he’s better suited as a 4th option on an actual title level team), and he’s just flat out not marketable and no longer moves the needle in the nba.
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 5:04 am
Posted on 1/13/25 at 7:25 am to 3PieceSpicy
4th option. Haha
Yall are crazy. Zion didn't hurt you bro. He fricked up his career by being immature.
Yall are crazy. Zion didn't hurt you bro. He fricked up his career by being immature.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 7:59 am to shel311
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Those days are over.
For fans maybe, not for front offices. Just look at last night. His gravity is impactful and makes everything else work. Unless Zion has enough trade value to bring back another high gravity player, you aren’t going to get better by trading him. That means he won’t be traded until they decide it’s time for a reset, not something Griff likely has the security to do, or until he forces his way out.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:19 am to TigerinATL
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until they decide it’s time for a reset
8-32 and there is internal debate on if a reset is needed? Gayle is worse than I thought if she can be convinced to stay the course.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:20 am to Broski
He'll probably get his shite together somewhere else
Exactly, the so called superstars like Zion, CJ, Murray don't respect Willie Green. I still think they have alot of talent and if the right coach would show up, they could turn those guys into productive leaders.
Exactly, the so called superstars like Zion, CJ, Murray don't respect Willie Green. I still think they have alot of talent and if the right coach would show up, they could turn those guys into productive leaders.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:22 am to TigerinATL
He's still such an enigma of a player is why teams will keep thinking of his potential --- until he suffers a major injury (non soft tissue).
He's a career FG% of 58 with no other game, why he's only at 45% this year is a combination of things (injury, rust, etc). Lets say he does return to his career %, instead of the "21.8" ppg, he'd be at 26.
26/7/5 are near his career high numbers, but that's not MVP numbers.
Jokic is 31/13/10 shooting 55/47/80
Giannis is 31/12/6 shooting 60/17/59
SGA is 31/5/6 shooting 52/36/90
Hell, even Tatum is 28/9/5 shooting 46/36/80 and Luka 28/8/8 shooting 46/35/77 are better and neither have a chance.
He's a career FG% of 58 with no other game, why he's only at 45% this year is a combination of things (injury, rust, etc). Lets say he does return to his career %, instead of the "21.8" ppg, he'd be at 26.
26/7/5 are near his career high numbers, but that's not MVP numbers.
Jokic is 31/13/10 shooting 55/47/80
Giannis is 31/12/6 shooting 60/17/59
SGA is 31/5/6 shooting 52/36/90
Hell, even Tatum is 28/9/5 shooting 46/36/80 and Luka 28/8/8 shooting 46/35/77 are better and neither have a chance.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 10:10 am to LongDevice
quote:
As I said before, his FG% is what pushes him over his peers. He just doesn't miss shots. He probably doesn't even have 20 games in his career when he should under 50%.
Yet he has never put up 50 and nobody can remember the last time he put up 40.
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