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Posted on 6/21/24 at 6:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Are you talking about the C&S 3s vs off the dribble? He takes 4 3s per game, that certainly doesn't prove your point, you're only looking at a small % of his shots.
I know I write long arse posts, but the stats posted earlier today m clearly show he’s a more efficient scorer off the ball than on it.
41% of his 2s are assisted, and he shoots way more 2s.
BI is clearly better with the ball in his hands and not terribly useful off ball, it's kinda wild you'd disagree with that.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 6:28 pm to Jester
quote:
At one thing
What is BI elite at?
Posted on 6/21/24 at 6:30 pm to Jester
quote:
Zion has looked more like a supercharged Tyreke Evans than anything
Posted on 6/21/24 at 6:31 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:If Zion isn't in shape, nothing else we do matters
Zion has been capable of playing the holy point Zion for like 40 games in his 5 years here b/c he’s never actually in shape to do it.
What this means is we should build the roster with the idea that Zion is going to be in shape day 1. Am I confident he will? Absolutely not... But we still need to build the roster out this way because, again, nothing matters if he's not.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 6:32 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Problem with this is the risk that the team BI chooses to go to in Free Agency has the cap space to add him... then you may get nothing in return.
I personally think we would get more now than a sign/trade later
Posted on 6/21/24 at 6:38 pm to Jester
quote:
You really trying to threaten me on the internet? You really are a loser, aren't you?
You think someone saying your posts are public is a threat? Lol
Its not a threat if you’re not aware of what you post. Lol
Posted on 6/21/24 at 8:27 pm to shel311
I don't understand your logic. JB is a great offensive coach. JB designs an offensive scheme that B is the team point . He does not select CJ or Z to initiate his scheme. The scheme places the ball and control in B's hands.
According to posters, B hates the scheme that puts the ball and playmaking in his hands. B, who is iso and ball dominant , goes to WG to dismantle an offensive designed for him to be the leader. So why would B dislike JB offensive? The scheme was designed for B not Z or CJ. Why would B want the offensive to go thru Z or CJ?
I am searching for one sportswriter that posted B dislike JB offensive scheme. I beleve JB was forced upon WG. Z complained about having a secondary role and Griff made the decison to go with point Z. Z sells tickets because of his potential not production. Gayle has assets not liquudity. Griff made a business not a basketball decision IMO
According to posters, B hates the scheme that puts the ball and playmaking in his hands. B, who is iso and ball dominant , goes to WG to dismantle an offensive designed for him to be the leader. So why would B dislike JB offensive? The scheme was designed for B not Z or CJ. Why would B want the offensive to go thru Z or CJ?
I am searching for one sportswriter that posted B dislike JB offensive scheme. I beleve JB was forced upon WG. Z complained about having a secondary role and Griff made the decison to go with point Z. Z sells tickets because of his potential not production. Gayle has assets not liquudity. Griff made a business not a basketball decision IMO
Posted on 6/21/24 at 8:29 pm to LSUPilot07
Transform the roster around Zion and Bi with guards and a forward/center that can play D and shoot 3 is much higher probability of success compared to most realistic trade proposals.
BI is still a potential perennial all star, who wants to be in Nola. Trading him for guys that will likely be itching to leave wouldn’t be great.
BI is still a potential perennial all star, who wants to be in Nola. Trading him for guys that will likely be itching to leave wouldn’t be great.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 8:43 pm to PigDog33
The problem is the max extension Ingram will be eligible for. 50 million a year just isn’t ideal.
If you told me there was a future where BI started taking more threes instead of hunting midrange shots and knew when to defer to Zion, I’d be okay with extending him at a lower amount. But history says that won’t happen anyway.
If you told me there was a future where BI started taking more threes instead of hunting midrange shots and knew when to defer to Zion, I’d be okay with extending him at a lower amount. But history says that won’t happen anyway.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:11 pm to PigDog33
BI isn’t a potential perrinial all star. He is a 27 year old one time all star who is going to be in year 9 who has had the keys to a franchise for 5 years and has led them absolutely nowhere. It’s time to move on. He doesn’t mesh well with the actual best player on the team. The Pelicans have over estimated his ceiling for far too long.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 8:30 am to LSUPilot07
What really bugs me is that there were games when BI and Z worked really well together and we kicked arse. If only it was more consistent, because BI has skills.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 8:36 am to VOR
Skill set is the reason why they tried to build around BI and Z for the past 5 seasons. The issue was never about the skill sets. It was the mentality and ego that prevented them from playing with each other rather than playing around each other. It's never going to work as we are constructed.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 8:42 am to ErikGordan
quote:And we abandoned that Borrego scheme 1 month into the season because BI didn't like it. I'm not sure what that has to do with my logic.
I don't understand your logic. JB is a great offensive coach. JB designs an offensive scheme that B is the team point . He does not select CJ or Z to initiate his scheme. The scheme places the ball and control in B's hands
quote:Borrego's offense didn't feature BI as the team's #1 option.
According to posters, B hates the scheme that puts the ball and playmaking in his hands. B, who is iso and ball dominant , goes to WG to dismantle an offensive designed for him to be the leader. So why would B dislike JB offensive? The scheme was designed for B not Z or CJ. Why would B want the offensive to go thru Z or CJ?
quote:Not until after the All Star break.
Z complained about having a secondary role and Griff made the decison to go with point Z
Remember the Zion press conference where he was frustrated and said he was just trying to take the back seat and trying to buy in and trust the process but it was tough? What do you think that was in regards to? Answer - the scheme change moving more towards BI based on what I said above. We finally got the pecking order correct the final 2 months of the season.
quote:Wait, you think this team is best with BI as the #1 option and Zion 2?
Z sells tickets because of his potential not production. Gayle has assets not liquudity. Griff made a business not a basketball decision IMO
Posted on 6/22/24 at 10:36 am to shel311
The best is zion as a 1, issue it requires an in shape zion which we've never seen to start a season yet.
BI has the right to be frustrated.
And you all shift the blame to him instead of zion. How does a guy lead a team when he's handcuffed those few years? He had a pg (lonzo) who was often injured, a pf (zion) who was always injured, and a revolving door of centers.
That was 30-40mil and 60 minutes of starters constantly missing time and yal want him to try to lead us somewhere. Truthfully he isn't "the guy", that's obvious, but the roster flaw isn't on Ingram. It's on zion
BI has the right to be frustrated.
And you all shift the blame to him instead of zion. How does a guy lead a team when he's handcuffed those few years? He had a pg (lonzo) who was often injured, a pf (zion) who was always injured, and a revolving door of centers.
That was 30-40mil and 60 minutes of starters constantly missing time and yal want him to try to lead us somewhere. Truthfully he isn't "the guy", that's obvious, but the roster flaw isn't on Ingram. It's on zion
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:20 am to htran90
quote:
He had a pg (lonzo) who was often injured
BI is often injured lol…
In fact Lonzo averaged more games played than BI has while in a Pelicans uniform. Think about that….
Griff should have moved off him years ago. But just like Lonzo, he waited to long and now the value won’t be there…
This post was edited on 6/22/24 at 11:28 am
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:28 am to shel311
quote:
Wait, you think this team is best with BI as the #1 option and Zion 2?
Clearly CJ was the #1 option by his FGA ....
#1 Job of the primary facilitator is to get the ball to your top scorers. BI and Zion are scorers for sure, however neither have been able to hold up physically as primary facilitators. This whole #1 and #2 topic is so off-base. Last year Tatum was the toast of the NBA and Brown downgraded, this year the script flipped somewhat, BUT between them, they always get you nearly 60 points and my opinion is that there is not a great gulf in talent. This post was edited on 6/22/24 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 6/22/24 at 12:49 pm to LSUPilot07
quote:
LSUPilot07
Grown man panicking like this in June over a basketball team
Posted on 6/22/24 at 10:13 pm to ErikGordan
quote:
I am searching for one sportswriter that posted B dislike JB offensive scheme.
You're not going to find anyone, just more internet made-up nonsense to fit some folks' narrative. It never made sense and the team didn't markedly improve either after the change in focus. It is and always has been a money thing.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 10:24 pm to Pistol44
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If tweet fails to load, click here. It’s kind of close to it, BI was upset with the scheme and wanted the ball more in his hands. Also seeing how BI barely played for the Olympics should be a red flag too.
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