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re: If BI and CJ can't lead this team to .500 or better post ASB
Posted on 2/24/23 at 5:01 pm to From Rice to Ingram
Posted on 2/24/23 at 5:01 pm to From Rice to Ingram
quote:Also, does this mean BI is below average too?
Does SGA have BI as a teammate? Of course not.

Or, will we jump through more hoops and change the parameters again?
Because we ain't looking so hot with BI and no Zion this year, so I guess BI is now below average too.
Can you name me all the Pels players who are not below average?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 6:42 pm to ghost2most
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I’d do BI for Bridges and Claxton. But not just Bridges
Bruh... are the Pels turning down 4 1st round picks for Ingram? because the Nets are doing that for Bridges...
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:06 pm to chRxis
IMHO, the worst thing we can do right now is get impatient and blow things up. I know the "flashes" and flirting with contending is frustrating (we are starving for championship basketball). But historically, we are still way early on a championship timeline. Jordan was 27, Pip and Horace were 26 for their first chip. The Warriors are the real anomaly with steph being 26 and Dray n Klay being 24. All other "cores" start winning post 26.
Brandon is 25. Z is 22. Trey, Dyson even younger. I say it's way too early to break this up. Let it marinate another year or two. We've hit on the draft picks, made the right trades, luck or not. The extensions have been signed. If we haven't made a serious Finals run in 1-3 years, adjust.
But, man, I really don't want to be another OKC that blew up their core too soon because we got small market jitters and became antsy.
Brandon is 25. Z is 22. Trey, Dyson even younger. I say it's way too early to break this up. Let it marinate another year or two. We've hit on the draft picks, made the right trades, luck or not. The extensions have been signed. If we haven't made a serious Finals run in 1-3 years, adjust.
But, man, I really don't want to be another OKC that blew up their core too soon because we got small market jitters and became antsy.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:02 pm to shel311
Shel311 content with that? CJ makes terrible decisions, turn the ball over, can't defend and shoots the Pels out of games. Willie is a horrible coach who is scared to get on so call super star players.
I think CJ is a good player, he is just not right for this team, unless he takes a role within the team. Meaning, he can't take shots with 2 and 3 people on him when others are open. All year we have been hearing "what a deep team" you aren't deep if the other players don't get the ball. Also, Willie and the coaching staff see this tomfollery on the court, so I don't blame CJ. You have to look at the coach. GO GET NATE
I think CJ is a good player, he is just not right for this team, unless he takes a role within the team. Meaning, he can't take shots with 2 and 3 people on him when others are open. All year we have been hearing "what a deep team" you aren't deep if the other players don't get the ball. Also, Willie and the coaching staff see this tomfollery on the court, so I don't blame CJ. You have to look at the coach. GO GET NATE
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 6:33 am
Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:49 am to brentsura
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CJ has averaged an efficient 24/4/6 over his last 32 games, I'm not sure why folks aren't content with that.
46% from the filed, 42% from 3 during that time on 8 attempts per game.
quote:Anyone who remotely understands basketball is content with that.
Shel311 content with that?

Save for the beginning of the season when he had an injury on his shooting hand, CJ McCollum has played better than any of us could have reasonably expected since he joined the Pelicans. If you disagree, please show me where you posted that you expected 25+ a game from CJ when we traded for him...I'll wait.
quote:Ah, we're doing the turnover thing again, I see. I find it funny that every time someone hates on CJ, it's for something that is factually incorrect that they can't ever back up with any actual factual data. Weird how that works.
CJ makes terrible decisions, turn the ball over,
Friendly reminder, list of players with a higher tunover % than CJ: Dyson, Zion, Ingram, Jval, Alvarado, Herb, Naji. And yet, on this board CJ gets more hate for turnovers than every single one of those dudes combined.
The only 2 regulars that don't have a higher turnover % are Nance and Trey, 2 guys not asked to do any facilitating.
quote:Your 1st 80-100 posts on this message board was 80-100 anti-CJ posts, but now you think he's a good player?
I think CJ is a good player,
PROGRESS!!!!
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 9:52 am
Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:56 am to shel311
It's so insane that anyone would have issues with CJ taking shots while guarded. He has a deeper bag than everyone else on the team outside of Ingram. And without Zion him living as solely an open shot taker would frick this offense up even more than what it already is.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:05 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:Posters: We have no offense
It's so insane that anyone would have issues with CJ taking shots while guarded. He has a deeper bag than everyone else on the team outside of Ingram. And without Zion him living as solely an open shot taker would frick this offense up even more than what it already is.
Also same posers: CJ should stop shooting so much
That may make sense...if CJ hasn't been our most efficient scorer available for 30+ games now.

This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 10:06 am
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:13 pm to shel311
Are you CJ’s wife or something? You defend that dude to no end. Cj is not as good as u think and not as bad as some think
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:18 pm to Louisianabound88
CJ is fine. He’s much better as an off ball scorer. Don’t really like him as a primary ball handler
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:38 pm to shel311
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That may make sense...if CJ hasn't been our most efficient scorer available for 30+ games now.
LOL.
He's 11th on the team in field goal percentage and 12th in true shooting percentage.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:44 pm to Long_Time_Lurker
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IMHO, the worst thing we can do right now is get impatient and blow things up. I know the "flashes" and flirting with contending is frustrating (we are starving for championship basketball)
Pels are 5-15 in the last 20…not “championship basketball” is being generous…but I agree that not going full-tank triggered by injuries and compounded by blind roster construction would be nice
Posted on 2/26/23 at 7:19 am to TigerinATL
We have no bigs that can defend currently and the front office didn’t address it at the deadline.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 8:44 am to brentsura
IMO, CJ should not be primary ball handler, ans the offense shouldn't run through him unless he's playing with the twos, period.
If our stars could stay healthy, I don't know if this would be an issue, but they can't.
If our stars could stay healthy, I don't know if this would be an issue, but they can't.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 9:28 am to Louisianabound88
quote:Tell me where I'm wrong
Are you CJ’s wife or something? You defend that dude to no end
That's the issue, posters like you made irrelevant posts like this but no one ever even tries to tell me where I'm wrong. It's just useless posts like yours or factually incorrect posts like we lose because CJ turns the ball over too much
Do better.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 9:31 am to jrobic4
quote:Agreed but we don't have anyone that can do that
IMO, CJ should not be primary ball handler, ans the offense shouldn't run through him unless he's playing with the twos, period.
Dyson is the guy but he's clearly not ready offensively for a bigger role.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:10 am to shel311
Is he worth 35.8mil, 33.3mil, and 30.6mil the next 3 years? I would like to know your answer, please show your math. The correct answer is no btw.
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:36 am to Dantheman504
quote:Problem is, it's not even the correct question.
Is he worth 35.8mil, 33.3mil, and 30.6mil the next 3 years? I would like to know your answer, please show your math. The correct answer is no btw
What players could you have realistically added for Hart and a 1st that would have netted you a better return than CJ McCollum and made us a better team right now now, or immediately after making that trade.
THAT is the better question that I've yet to see you or anyone answer and show me how we could have made the team better than having CJ for Hart and one 1st.
If Zion were healthy and we were the 2 seed right now, would you be arguing that CJ still isn't worth it? Maybe, but your argument wouldn't make much sense.
This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 10:38 am
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:54 am to ghost2most
It’s coaching—-every set we run for BI is high elbow screens.
Boston (GS started it) is screening for Tatum as soon as he crosses the half court line.
Willie may end up being our Mark Jackson. A players coach/ culture setter but ultimately a guy that can’t compete in the XO game.
Look at how terrible our inbounding plays are. We have no creativity.
How often do we crate easy lob attempts for Zion? We saw plenty of those with Uncle Al.
How long did it take Willie to realize Zion should not be playing with his back to the basket and banging down low? Stan figured that out fast.
BI , Trey and CJ should be shooting 6-8 threes a game. No reason for one one them to not be open and the odds of both of them being off every night is low.
Every thing we do is hard.
Boston (GS started it) is screening for Tatum as soon as he crosses the half court line.
Willie may end up being our Mark Jackson. A players coach/ culture setter but ultimately a guy that can’t compete in the XO game.
Look at how terrible our inbounding plays are. We have no creativity.
How often do we crate easy lob attempts for Zion? We saw plenty of those with Uncle Al.
How long did it take Willie to realize Zion should not be playing with his back to the basket and banging down low? Stan figured that out fast.
BI , Trey and CJ should be shooting 6-8 threes a game. No reason for one one them to not be open and the odds of both of them being off every night is low.
Every thing we do is hard.
This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 11:48 am
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:55 am to shel311
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This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 10:56 am
Posted on 2/26/23 at 11:11 am to shel311
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If Zion were healthy and we were the 2 seed right now, would you be arguing that CJ still isn't worth it?
That’s why the OP is a question that I honestly wasn’t expecting so much agreement with. Is the problem BI isn’t good enough, or is it a “you’re only as strong as your weakest link” problem and fixing some or all of starting 3&D wing, Center, or coaching makes everything better.
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