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re: If BI and CJ can't lead this team to .500 or better post ASB

Posted on 2/24/23 at 5:01 pm to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112438 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 5:01 pm to
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Does SGA have BI as a teammate? Of course not.
Also, does this mean BI is below average too?


Or, will we jump through more hoops and change the parameters again?

Because we ain't looking so hot with BI and no Zion this year, so I guess BI is now below average too.

Can you name me all the Pels players who are not below average?
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
25697 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 6:42 pm to
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I’d do BI for Bridges and Claxton. But not just Bridges

Bruh... are the Pels turning down 4 1st round picks for Ingram? because the Nets are doing that for Bridges...

Posted by Long_Time_Lurker
Member since Jun 2019
620 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:06 pm to
IMHO, the worst thing we can do right now is get impatient and blow things up. I know the "flashes" and flirting with contending is frustrating (we are starving for championship basketball). But historically, we are still way early on a championship timeline. Jordan was 27, Pip and Horace were 26 for their first chip. The Warriors are the real anomaly with steph being 26 and Dray n Klay being 24. All other "cores" start winning post 26.

Brandon is 25. Z is 22. Trey, Dyson even younger. I say it's way too early to break this up. Let it marinate another year or two. We've hit on the draft picks, made the right trades, luck or not. The extensions have been signed. If we haven't made a serious Finals run in 1-3 years, adjust.

But, man, I really don't want to be another OKC that blew up their core too soon because we got small market jitters and became antsy.
Posted by brentsura
Member since Feb 2022
214 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:02 pm to
Shel311 content with that? CJ makes terrible decisions, turn the ball over, can't defend and shoots the Pels out of games. Willie is a horrible coach who is scared to get on so call super star players.

I think CJ is a good player, he is just not right for this team, unless he takes a role within the team. Meaning, he can't take shots with 2 and 3 people on him when others are open. All year we have been hearing "what a deep team" you aren't deep if the other players don't get the ball. Also, Willie and the coaching staff see this tomfollery on the court, so I don't blame CJ. You have to look at the coach. GO GET NATE

This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 6:33 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112438 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:49 am to
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CJ has averaged an efficient 24/4/6 over his last 32 games, I'm not sure why folks aren't content with that.

46% from the filed, 42% from 3 during that time on 8 attempts per game.
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Shel311 content with that?
Anyone who remotely understands basketball is content with that.

Save for the beginning of the season when he had an injury on his shooting hand, CJ McCollum has played better than any of us could have reasonably expected since he joined the Pelicans. If you disagree, please show me where you posted that you expected 25+ a game from CJ when we traded for him...I'll wait.

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CJ makes terrible decisions, turn the ball over,
Ah, we're doing the turnover thing again, I see. I find it funny that every time someone hates on CJ, it's for something that is factually incorrect that they can't ever back up with any actual factual data. Weird how that works.

Friendly reminder, list of players with a higher tunover % than CJ: Dyson, Zion, Ingram, Jval, Alvarado, Herb, Naji. And yet, on this board CJ gets more hate for turnovers than every single one of those dudes combined.

The only 2 regulars that don't have a higher turnover % are Nance and Trey, 2 guys not asked to do any facilitating.

quote:

I think CJ is a good player,
Your 1st 80-100 posts on this message board was 80-100 anti-CJ posts, but now you think he's a good player?

PROGRESS!!!!
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 9:52 am
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
24631 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 9:56 am to
It's so insane that anyone would have issues with CJ taking shots while guarded. He has a deeper bag than everyone else on the team outside of Ingram. And without Zion him living as solely an open shot taker would frick this offense up even more than what it already is.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112438 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:05 am to
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It's so insane that anyone would have issues with CJ taking shots while guarded. He has a deeper bag than everyone else on the team outside of Ingram. And without Zion him living as solely an open shot taker would frick this offense up even more than what it already is.

Posters: We have no offense


Also same posers: CJ should stop shooting so much





That may make sense...if CJ hasn't been our most efficient scorer available for 30+ games now.
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 10:06 am
Posted by Louisianabound88
BR
Member since Dec 2016
3418 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:13 pm to
Are you CJ’s wife or something? You defend that dude to no end. Cj is not as good as u think and not as bad as some think
Posted by Macintosh
Leveraging Salaries University
Member since Sep 2011
54218 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:18 pm to
CJ is fine. He’s much better as an off ball scorer. Don’t really like him as a primary ball handler
Posted by mhasen1
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
1855 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:38 pm to
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That may make sense...if CJ hasn't been our most efficient scorer available for 30+ games now.


LOL.

He's 11th on the team in field goal percentage and 12th in true shooting percentage.
Posted by BamaPelican
Member since Apr 2022
437 posts
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:44 pm to
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IMHO, the worst thing we can do right now is get impatient and blow things up. I know the "flashes" and flirting with contending is frustrating (we are starving for championship basketball)


Pels are 5-15 in the last 20…not “championship basketball” is being generous…but I agree that not going full-tank triggered by injuries and compounded by blind roster construction would be nice
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 7:19 am to
We have no bigs that can defend currently and the front office didn’t address it at the deadline.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
10501 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 8:44 am to
IMO, CJ should not be primary ball handler, ans the offense shouldn't run through him unless he's playing with the twos, period.

If our stars could stay healthy, I don't know if this would be an issue, but they can't.

Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112438 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 9:28 am to
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Are you CJ’s wife or something? You defend that dude to no end
Tell me where I'm wrong

That's the issue, posters like you made irrelevant posts like this but no one ever even tries to tell me where I'm wrong. It's just useless posts like yours or factually incorrect posts like we lose because CJ turns the ball over too much

Do better.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112438 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 9:31 am to
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IMO, CJ should not be primary ball handler, ans the offense shouldn't run through him unless he's playing with the twos, period.
Agreed but we don't have anyone that can do that


Dyson is the guy but he's clearly not ready offensively for a bigger role.
Posted by Dantheman504
N/A
Member since Jun 2013
4984 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:10 am to
Is he worth 35.8mil, 33.3mil, and 30.6mil the next 3 years? I would like to know your answer, please show your math. The correct answer is no btw.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112438 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:36 am to
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Is he worth 35.8mil, 33.3mil, and 30.6mil the next 3 years? I would like to know your answer, please show your math. The correct answer is no btw
Problem is, it's not even the correct question.

What players could you have realistically added for Hart and a 1st that would have netted you a better return than CJ McCollum and made us a better team right now now, or immediately after making that trade.

THAT is the better question that I've yet to see you or anyone answer and show me how we could have made the team better than having CJ for Hart and one 1st.


If Zion were healthy and we were the 2 seed right now, would you be arguing that CJ still isn't worth it? Maybe, but your argument wouldn't make much sense.

This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 10:38 am
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
3892 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:54 am to
It’s coaching—-every set we run for BI is high elbow screens.

Boston (GS started it) is screening for Tatum as soon as he crosses the half court line.

Willie may end up being our Mark Jackson. A players coach/ culture setter but ultimately a guy that can’t compete in the XO game.

Look at how terrible our inbounding plays are. We have no creativity.

How often do we crate easy lob attempts for Zion? We saw plenty of those with Uncle Al.

How long did it take Willie to realize Zion should not be playing with his back to the basket and banging down low? Stan figured that out fast.

BI , Trey and CJ should be shooting 6-8 threes a game. No reason for one one them to not be open and the odds of both of them being off every night is low.

Every thing we do is hard.
This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 11:48 am
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
3892 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:55 am to
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This post was edited on 2/26/23 at 10:56 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62443 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 11:11 am to
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If Zion were healthy and we were the 2 seed right now, would you be arguing that CJ still isn't worth it?


That’s why the OP is a question that I honestly wasn’t expecting so much agreement with. Is the problem BI isn’t good enough, or is it a “you’re only as strong as your weakest link” problem and fixing some or all of starting 3&D wing, Center, or coaching makes everything better.
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