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re: Griff specifically mentioned a lot of trades and FA moves are being juggled right now.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:03 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:03 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Pels had looks like 15 of those guys last season. Using that as the baseline # of dudes who will fit that criteria, as well as adding Zion who didn't fit that criteria, and also Kira Lewis:
Significant minutes to me means they played in at least half the games and over 12 mpg
1. Bledsone
2. Hill
3. Hayes
4. Hart
5. Ball
6. Ingram
7. Redick
8. Meli
9. Jackson
10. Moore
11. Favors
12. Zion
13. Kira Lewis
14. NAW
15. Kenrich
Now the only ones we can logically remove from that list would be Jackson/Moore/Favors, and we're already at 12 guys we know that are likely to get more minutes than a 2nd round pick), and we haven't even gotten to free agency.
I just don't see where you think the minutes are going to be for the 39th pick in the draft, other than G-League.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 11:07 am
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Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:04 am to Overbrook
Its not seeing value today, but seeing value in the future. In a couple years they will remove the 19 year old restrictions, which will basically have you at a double draft class.
So hoarding future picks does 2 things, 1) it gives you more ammo for trades, and 2) gives you more picks in what will likely be better drafts.
So hoarding future picks does 2 things, 1) it gives you more ammo for trades, and 2) gives you more picks in what will likely be better drafts.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:05 am to shel311
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other than G-League
And there may not even be a g-league season this year
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:08 am to Soggymoss
quote:That too
And there may not even be a g-league season this year
Just looking at the roster, it's pretty full as is, and we'll likely make at least 1 free agent addition I'd guess.
So where are these minutes going to come from for a 2nd rounder? I just don't see it.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:10 am to shel311
But but but don't you guys get it?? We had 2 2nd rounders! 2! We just passed up on 2 future all stars!
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:11 am to Dantheman504
quote:Hell, as soon as we drafted Kira Lewis, someone immediately started a thread to discuss which of our guards will be traded with the logjam and addition of Lewis now.
But but but don't you guys get it?? We had 2 2nd rounders! 2! We just passed up on 2 future all stars!
It's just weird with the assumption that every draft pick will pan out, especially after how excited we got about NAW last season. I like Lewis, hopefully he gets real rotational minutes, but he absolutely can be just like NAW next season in the sense that he's just not ready year 1, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:16 am to Fun Bunch
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Griff did not want to develop 3-5 rookies while still developing Zion, NAW, and Jaxson. He wants veterans on the roster in a unique year.
I'm not asking for 5 rookies on top of Zion, NAW and Jaxson.
I'm asking for 2, one of them being Kira, and the other being someone that might not even be good enough to make the team. There's no risk in drafting a 2nd rounder. Either he's good enough for you to care about finding a spot for him, or he's not. He has no leverage in what he wants to do. If he doesn't want a two-way, then you tell him to kick rocks if you don't think he's worth keeping. It's real simple. This isn't like drafting someone at 24 where you have to commit to them when you draft them.
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This draft sucks.
No one knows that. Had we had a big dance tourney, maybe Colorado does really well and Tyler Bey is drafted 12th instead of 36th. Maybe Charleston makes the sweet 16 on the backs of Grant Riller and he goes 31 instead of 56. Paul Reed does well with Depaul and goes 33 instead of 58. You can't say this draft sucks.
You can say there's a lot of unknowns in it, but not that it sucks, not yet at least.
And i will admit there are years where the 2nd rounders really suck, and others where they are really awesome. the 2014 draft has 6 guys that have signed contracts with over $10M/yr. the 2013 draft was terrible in the 2nd round. One guy got a decent contract, Crabbe, and he's not any good. 2012 was a good one, with 5 guys getting big second contracts, and are still in the league.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:18 am to shel311
The problem is we now have to figure out how good NAW can be or he is already on the trading block. He obviously isn't getting his minutes at PG. We can't effectively evaluate Hart, Lonzo, and NAW for our future with JJ taking up many SG minutes. Its not a stab at JJ its just true. I think it makes the most sense to stick with Hart and train NAW. That would mean that JJ stays and Lonzo is gone.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:21 am to TeddyPadillac
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I'm asking for 2, one of them being Kira
Technically you got that. They drafted Kira and gave a 2 way contract out to an undrafted rookie. Drafting someone at 39 or 42 would likely have required a regular roster spot instead of a 2 way.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 11:22 am
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:21 am to TeddyPadillac
Most of the value in this draft after our first pick consisted of SG's and PG's. There were not many SF or C left that we believed could move the needle. Why would we waste another pick on a SG or PG that we already don't have space for? Some people are acting like we were gonna get the next Kareem Abdul Jabar with our 2nd rd picks.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:25 am to TeddyPadillac
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I'm asking for 2, one of them being Kira
Technically we got 2.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:37 am to shel311
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I just don't see where you think the minutes are going to be for the 39th pick in the draft, other than G-League.
I'm not saying he has to get minutes, or that we should be drafting a guy there expecting him to play.
The point of making the pick is taking a chance on someone with very little obligations. You bring him in and see what he can do. If you think he's worthy of putting the development into him, then you keep him, if not, you simply let him go. What's the harm in that? You think Milwaukee drafted Brogdon with the expectation he'd be a starter? NO. they drafted him b/c they thought he might be good, then brought him in and realized he was actually good, so they did what was necessary to keep him. The Wizards took Admiral Schoefield in the 2nd last year after drafting Rui in the first. I doubt they expected him to make the team much less get some minutes. But you bring guys in and see what they are made of and decide if you want to keep them or not, since there's nothing making you keep them other than if they are good enough. The Hawks found minutes for Bruno Fernando even though they have Capella/Collins/Dedmon/Len/Jones. He impressed them enough as a 2nd rounder to give him a chance.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:40 am to Dantheman504
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Some people are acting like we were gonna get the next Kareem Abdul Jabar with our 2nd rd picks.
I don't even expect whoever we'd pick to make the team, much less be an all-star. The point remains, you'll never find that quality player in the 2nd round if you don't even try. It's such a low risk thing to do, to make a pick in the 2nd round. If you don't like the kid, then don't keep him. no one is forcing you to.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:49 am to TeddyPadillac
Bledsoe/NAW/Lewis
Hill/Lonzo/JJ
Ingram/Hart
Zion/Melli
Hayes
That's 11 before we even sign anybody or make any trades. More than half of these guys (Hayes/Zion/Melli/Lonzo/NAW/Lewis) still have something to prove.
Why do we need to add another rookie to that list right now. Why not trade back and hold on to another asset for a future move?
Hill/Lonzo/JJ
Ingram/Hart
Zion/Melli
Hayes
That's 11 before we even sign anybody or make any trades. More than half of these guys (Hayes/Zion/Melli/Lonzo/NAW/Lewis) still have something to prove.
Why do we need to add another rookie to that list right now. Why not trade back and hold on to another asset for a future move?
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:56 am to TeddyPadillac
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gotta say, i was pretty irritated that we traded our 3 picks last night after Kira. Very happy about Kira, but i don't understand why you wouldn't make at least 1 more pick, especially in the 2nd round. WHy the hell would'nt you want to take a chance someone in the 2nd round? At worst, you don't sign them at all, and you can always give them a 2-way to avoid the roster spot situation. Sorry, i like Josh Gray, but he's not an NBA player and we need fresh meat with our 2-way players, and the draft was an easy way to fill that need.
Also, with this being a tough draft to evaluate, it could mean that you are just as likely to pick a late round gem that didn’t get the opportunity to shoot up the rankings as you are getting a guy who you cut bait with after 1 season. The reward far outweighs the risk, and it’s not even close. I said it before, trading the 39 pick for a future Utah second made absolutely no sense. We might’ve swapped a very volatile early second for a late second in a standard draft.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:57 am to SLafourche07
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Why do we need to add another rookie to that list right now.
I'm not saying we need one. What part of we don't have to sign them don't ya'll understand?
Did the Celtics need Tacko and Tremont last year, on top of Carson Edwards? Did they really need to take a draft and stash in Yam this year? Are we so happy about Josh Gray and Cheathem that we didn't want to give anyone else a chance to take their places (yes i know we just gave an undrafted guy a two-way)? And don't tell me a 2nd rounder doesn't want a two-way deal. They have no leverage. If they aren't good enough, you let them go, if they are, then you give them a contract.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:02 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
I don't even expect whoever we'd pick to make the team, much less be an all-star. The point remains, you'll never find that quality player in the 2nd round if you don't even try. It's such a low risk thing to do, to make a pick in the 2nd round. If you don't like the kid, then don't keep him. no one is forcing you to.
The problem is you're putting the sins of the past on the new regime. Dell Demps absolutely should have been using those 2nd round scratch offs instead of wasting them, and that's not even getting into the shameful things he did to 1st round picks.
2 years into the Griff regime and the team has drafted 4 players in the 1st round, 1 player in the 2nd round, and so far tried 3 players with the 2 way contracts.
That's taking a shot on 8 rookies over 2 years and you're complaining like they aren't taking shots like they should. Again, you're putting the sins of the past on this new regime and complaining as if they were still running things like Dell Demps when they very clearly aren't.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:03 pm to TeddyPadillac
I don't think Griff and Langdon are concerned with shoring up the Eerie Bayhawks or whoever our GLeague team is.
Langdon has shown he's pretty good at evaluating talent. I'm sure if they felt there was anybody worth taking at those spots they would have.
It seems when it came time to make our pick there wasn't anyone there that they liked enough so they traded away the pick. Because once you use that 2nd round pick that player is worthless ~95% of the time. But a future 2nd round pick still holds value. Why use a pick for the sake of saying "whelp we tried"?
Langdon has shown he's pretty good at evaluating talent. I'm sure if they felt there was anybody worth taking at those spots they would have.
It seems when it came time to make our pick there wasn't anyone there that they liked enough so they traded away the pick. Because once you use that 2nd round pick that player is worthless ~95% of the time. But a future 2nd round pick still holds value. Why use a pick for the sake of saying "whelp we tried"?
Posted on 11/19/20 at 1:10 pm to teke184
Eh Boston has still made the Conference Finals the last three years, because of Ainge. Also Boston’s building blocks are Tatum (22) and Brown (24). They won’t be in their prime together until three years from now, at 25 and 27 respectively. Why would you “blow [your] wad” if your stars aren’t in their prime yet? Boston is transitioning from having pretty great players around their young players, to handing the keys over to their young players and building around them. So yeah does Ainge wish he’d have a finals appearance in the last three years? Hell yes. But to mark them coming up short as a flaw, I would have to disagree. Now if you said Morey always came up short in Houston, then I would agree.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 1:13 pm to lovepurplelivegold14
Ainge had the chance to get Paul George, AD, Kawhi, Westbrook, and/or numerous other players and refused to pay up.
AD was most egregious because he was their stated target for years and when push came to shove, he blinked at the cost and the chances of convincing AD to stay.
AD was most egregious because he was their stated target for years and when push came to shove, he blinked at the cost and the chances of convincing AD to stay.
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