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BI will not discuss signing an extension until next offseason.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:27 pm
RealGM
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Brandon Ingram is eligible for a contract extension with the New Orleans Pelicans, but he will wait until next offseason before engaging in discussions.
Ingram is owed $33.8 million this season and $36.0 million next season. Ingram is currently able to extend for three years for a combined total of $147 million.
If Ingram makes an All-NBA team, he would become eligible for a supermax extension starting at 35 percent of the salary cap.
Ingram has rarely played in at least 65 games during his career, which is the threshold for All-NBA eligibility.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 3:28 pm
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Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:29 pm to 504Voodoo
Sounds like he's betting on himself to have a monster year. I like it.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:30 pm to 504Voodoo
I'm not gonna hate on a guy betting on himself. Let him prove he deserves it.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:31 pm to 504Voodoo
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Ingram has rarely played in at least 65 games during his career, which is the threshold for All-NBA eligibility.
So, he'll be more likely to fight through pain.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:43 pm to 504Voodoo
Virtually every player waits until they have 1 more year on the deal.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 4:07 pm to Fun Bunch
with his injury history, seems kind of dumb to not go ahead and sign it immediately, if offered.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 4:37 pm to TeddyPadillac
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with his injury history, seems kind of dumb to not go ahead and sign it immediately, if off
Injuries rarely prevent stars from still getting a big payday in the NBA. We still traded for BI even with there still being some doubts about his blood clot issue.
Granted, he is an all-time great, but KD still got the bag after an achillies, which is usually a death sentence for an athlete to return to peak form.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 4:54 pm to 504Voodoo
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stars
BI isn't trending in that direction.
BI is not KD, so no need to even try that comparison.
I'm not complaining. best of both worlds here. Either he plays better and is deserving of an extension, or he doesn't play better and we may realize that we have to look elsewhere for that 2nd star to go with Zion.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 5:15 pm to TeddyPadillac
Keep trying to convince yourself that. He's going to get paid. Whether it's from us or not when the time comes will be a different question.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:03 pm to 504Voodoo
He should have taken it now. Lock in another 3 years. I don't think he can get to All-NBA. But even if he did, could they have made a clause with escalators to make the contract go up?
I'm more curious about his trade value next summer if he only has one year left. Would we get a lot less in a trade?
I'm more curious about his trade value next summer if he only has one year left. Would we get a lot less in a trade?
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
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BI isn't trending in that direction.
I said star for a reason. BI is a star. He isn't a superstar.
He is going to get paid.
Bradley Beal
Gordon Heyward (Used to be star)
Blake Griffin
Paul George
Klay
Michael Porter
All examples of stars (but not superstars) that still go paid.
You pay the guy regardless in order to retain the asset.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 7:52 pm to 504Voodoo
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He is going to get paid.
DeMarcus Cousins.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:14 pm to brmark70816
quote:No, not to the level it would go if he got the All NBA team 35% max.
But even if he did, could they have made a clause with escalators to make the contract go up?
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:14 am to shel311
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No, not to the level it would go if he got the All NBA team 35% max.
My bad. I thought they could just add an escalated clause contingent on him reaching certain benchmarks. So he was just angling for an additional guaranteed year.
My fear is he has a good to great year (statistically) and he wants a full max/max. Like Jaylen Brown's, 5Y/300M+ deal. I don't think we should do that. So we'd have to trade him. But what can you get for an expiring semi-star level player?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 9:27 am to 504Voodoo
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He is going to get paid.
i don't doubt that at all, and i hope he does get paid and deserves it. I like BI.
My point was we'll know if we are going to pay him and keep him, or pay him and trade him.
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I said star for a reason. BI is a star. He isn't a superstar.
and i said he was trending the wrong way for a reason. BI can without a doubt be a star, and he was in the playoffs 2 years ago, but last season wasn't that great, and his USA team showing was abysmal.
My man just needs to stay healthy, and we'll be alright.
here's a writeup from ESPN about the situation, which makes it extremely clear why he isn't signing an extension right now:
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The list of players is unprecedented: Jamal Murray, De'Aaron Fox, Pascal Siakam, Brandon Ingram, Bam Adebayo, Jaren Jackson Jr., Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Luka Doncic.
Each of these eight players has at one point so far either been named All-NBA, been an All-Star, won Defensive Player of the Year, or been on a championship team. Now each of them has an opportunity to add another significant financial milestone.
If any of those players are selected in 2023-24 to the All-NBA team, named Defensive Player of the Year or win MVP, they become eligible to sign a supermax deal starting in the 2024 or 2025 offseason.
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An injured left big toe resulted in Ingram playing the fewest games in his career (45) last season. When he was healthy, he averaged a career-high 24.7 points per game.
Per ESPN Stats & Information, Ingram is one of two players to average 20 points in at least four different seasons in Pelicans history. He ranked in the top-three in made midrange field goals per game the past three seasons as well.
Because he was traded within the first four years in the NBA, Ingram is eligible to sign a five-year, $303 million extension in the 2024 offseason if he earns All-NBA in 2023-24.
He is also eligible up until Oct. 23 to sign a three-year, $145 million extension that would start in 2025-26.
This post was edited on 9/15/23 at 9:31 am
Posted on 9/15/23 at 10:00 am to brmark70816
quote:If he hits the benchmark, he's eligible to get 35% of the cap. If he does not, he can get 30%.
My bad. I thought they could just add an escalated clause contingent on him reaching certain benchmarks
quote:Only if he hits the benchmark. Obviously it depends on Zion's health, but if Zion is healthy AND BI is All NBA, we should be a dominant team. Granted, I think there's little chance that happens, but just pointing out how good we'd be more than likely if BI gets an All NBA nod.
My fear is he has a good to great year (statistically) and he wants a full max/max. Like Jaylen Brown's, 5Y/300M+ deal.
quote:Probably a pretty big haul we'd get back for BI.
I don't think we should do that. So we'd have to trade him. But what can you get for an expiring semi-star level player?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 12:31 pm to 504Voodoo
He might not want his Team USA experience being the latest thing on people's minds before the extension talks.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 3:21 pm to Methuselah
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He might not want his Team USA experience being the latest thing on people's minds before the extension talks.
Weirdly, I think Ingram's FIBA basketball experience will be a springboard for the Pels. FIBA was a setup for BI from the get-go with Steve (small ball) Kerr coaching. Never was going to work for BI with Ant and Brunson as primary ball handlers.
Pels meanwhile has a team of good passers that willingly give the ball up, particularly Zion, Herb, CJ, and Dyson. You'd expect the team to showcase off-ball movement (particularly BI and Zion) with the number of playmakers the Pels have.
Additionally, BI could have had more opportunities with FIBA had he rebounded better where he could take the ball off the glass and go. This is more a deficiency than him being able to play off-ball. I think these narratives from FIBA will help emphasize off-ball play and fuel BI's need to improve on the defensive glass where the team really needs, sans Val, to get better.
Posted on 9/16/23 at 9:35 am to shel311
There is incredible potential with this team if the cards fall halfway right. I’m sort of optimistic, but I’m also realistic. The scary thing is that everything is riding on the health of players who’ve been injured in the past.
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