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Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:52 am to Dantheman504
I still prefer Fox, but if Zion is truly coming back this season, then I am absolutely in favor of getting CJ.
It shouldn't cost more than Lowe is talking about, though. Hart, Sato, Temple, plus a protected first (likely the 2025 Bucks pick).
Yeah, we have a problem in a couple of years, but we'd otherwise possibly be losing Josh Hart after next season anyway, so it's not creating a timeline problem as much as just punting on one.
It shouldn't cost more than Lowe is talking about, though. Hart, Sato, Temple, plus a protected first (likely the 2025 Bucks pick).
Yeah, we have a problem in a couple of years, but we'd otherwise possibly be losing Josh Hart after next season anyway, so it's not creating a timeline problem as much as just punting on one.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 6:50 am to GOP_Tiger
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but we'd otherwise possibly be losing Josh Hart after next season anyway
pels have full control over hart next season they can guarantee his contract by 6/25/22 for another 12MM but yes after that he’s likely gone
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 6:51 am
Posted on 2/8/22 at 6:54 am to cgrand
Jane Fischer reporting Atlanta and New York have signaled interested in CJ:
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With just over 48 hours standing before the NBA's trade deadline, Portland Trail Blazers guard CJ McCollum is now the biggest name that league personnel expect to be dealt. New Orleans has long been considered the most active McCollum suitor, yet both New York and Atlanta have held recent discussions to acquire the veteran from Portland, sources told B/R.
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So far the Blazers have expressed minimal interest in taking back any future salary in McCollum negotiations. That would seem to render New York's efforts to acquire McCollum nothing more than exploratory. Either Evan Fournier's four-year, $73 million agreement or the five years still remaining on Julius Randle's colossal deal would be needed to get close to matching McCollum's roughly $30 million salary—quite the opposite return of Portland's stated objective.
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The framework most often mentioned by league personnel in New Orleans' pursuit of McCollum has centered around Josh Hart and Tomas Satoransky, while the Pelicans have made both former first-round picks Jaxson Hayes and Nickeil Alexander-Walker available in trade conversations around the league. Hart's unique deal structure is entirely non-guaranteed for next season. Satoransky is on an expiring contract. The Pelicans are also plush with a surplus of future first-round picks stemming from their Anthony Davis and Jrue Holiday blockbusters.
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It may be even easier for Atlanta to meet Portland's strict financial requirements. A deal structure of Danilo Gallinari's $20.5 million contract—with only $5 million guaranteed for 2022-23—and Delon Wright's expiring deal is enough to match McCollum's salary. The Hawks also hold an extra first-round pick from the Cam Reddish trade. Perhaps Atlanta would be willing to include rookie forward Jalen Johnson as well.
LINK
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 6:55 am
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:02 am to LesGeaux45
a CJ/young backcourt would be eerily similar to the CJ/lillard backcourt and not in a good way
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:09 am to cgrand
LesbiHonest Sons, it feels like today is the day.
F5 here I come.
F5 here I come.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:13 am to cgrand
Yeah New York doesn’t have the pieces and the Atlanta fit would be very weird to say the least. This definitely feels like a Blazers leak to try and spook New Orleans. Hopefully they don’t blink.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:14 am to cgrand
That backcourt would make no sense whatsoever. Neither one is a good defender, and theyre both very much undersized.
Portland not wanting to take back long term salary bodes very well for us, Sato and Hart are expirings, and we only need to include 3.6 million more or so, which is why i suggested NAW to Atl for Huerter. I would put a first rounder to Portland in that scenario.
We get CJ and Huerter, Portland gets off 30+ million in salary for next season while saving 8 million this year.
Portland not wanting to take back long term salary bodes very well for us, Sato and Hart are expirings, and we only need to include 3.6 million more or so, which is why i suggested NAW to Atl for Huerter. I would put a first rounder to Portland in that scenario.
We get CJ and Huerter, Portland gets off 30+ million in salary for next season while saving 8 million this year.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:19 am to SLafourche07
I wouldn’t F5 too much today. The vast majority of deals happen within the last two hours of the deadline.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:21 am to Soggymoss
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:22 am to cgrand
Yeah its not ideal, and coming from the lineage of Golden State, that preaches putting elite defenders around your undersized lead guard, it is an odd direction for the team to go.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:24 am to BallHawk
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More public trade negotiations…
Pacers are “interested” in McCollum…
Portland is REALLY trying to increase his value.
DON'T BLINK, DAVE. THERE WILL BE A BETTER OPTION THIS OFFSEASON OR NEXT YEAR.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:26 am to SlowFlowPro
Unless this is all smoke and when the dust settles the price is much, much more reasonable than reported, at this point I'd rather just go after Sexton, who it seems clear with the Levert deal is not in the Cavs long-term plans and they will be looking for a Ball type sign and trade partner and we can probably help with that in the offseason
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 7:27 am
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:26 am to Soggymoss
Great... so McCollum hears he's getting interest from two darling markets for players, and ends up here
Pout face incoming:
Pout face incoming:
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 7:27 am
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:32 am to Bronc
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The Trail Blazers already signaled their interest in shedding long-term salary by trading Norman Powell and Robert Covington to Los Angeles for merely Eric Bledsoe, Justise Winslow, rookie guard Keon Johnson and a 2025 second-round pick. That deal sets a difficult precedent for Portland to command a much richer return for McCollum, whom rival team personnel have largely deemed to hold less trade value than Powell.
Another snippet from the Jake Fisher article.
I still think Hart/Sato should be enough
Also mentions Sato is believed to be a buyout guy after the deadline.
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 7:37 am
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:33 am to Bronc
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at this point I'd rather just go after Sexton
I have a feeling that for Griffin this trade search is:
25% about fit
25% about impressing Zion
50% about doing something so he can continue being employed
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:34 am to Bronc
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Unless this is all smoke and when the dust settles the price is much, much more reasonable than reported, at this point I'd rather just go after Sexton
Yes.
And CJ isn't this super experienced offense-running point guard like some of our fans have argued. He's been a 2 almost exclusively his entire career. I say this b/c Sexton is also not a game-manager guard and more of a gunner and it shouldn't be used against him.
Like, I can see the argument we had this offseason if we're overpaying for a Paul/Lowry, b/c those guys are legit floor generals/leaders. But CJ? Meh.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:52 am to SlowFlowPro
Dont get me wrong, I like CJ.
He is a sneaky elite PnR ball handler and while not a natural point, can do more in terms of organizing an offense than he is often asked in Portland.
BUT, he is 30, already not the most athletic, has shown some injury concerns more recently, you only have him for 3 years(an expensive three years). To me there is a lot of risk involved in the strategy Griff wants to go down to accelerate winning using a guy that isnt exactly a perfect fit IMO, and I'm not sure if it wouldnt just be smarter to go get the 23 year old on our timeline that just had 24-4-3 season shooting 40% on C&S and 47% when wide open threes.
He's more like an upgraded Graham, but like Graham I think that type of player can work as stopgap until the perfect player comes available....Of course with Griff's lack of patience I get the sense we will forever be trying to force square pegs trying to accelerate winning indefinitely until we hit the ceiling teams like Portland have
He is a sneaky elite PnR ball handler and while not a natural point, can do more in terms of organizing an offense than he is often asked in Portland.
BUT, he is 30, already not the most athletic, has shown some injury concerns more recently, you only have him for 3 years(an expensive three years). To me there is a lot of risk involved in the strategy Griff wants to go down to accelerate winning using a guy that isnt exactly a perfect fit IMO, and I'm not sure if it wouldnt just be smarter to go get the 23 year old on our timeline that just had 24-4-3 season shooting 40% on C&S and 47% when wide open threes.
He's more like an upgraded Graham, but like Graham I think that type of player can work as stopgap until the perfect player comes available....Of course with Griff's lack of patience I get the sense we will forever be trying to force square pegs trying to accelerate winning indefinitely until we hit the ceiling teams like Portland have
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:54 am to Bronc
If Sato/Hart/Temple/ worthless Bucks pick gets you CJ, I think you do it. You aren't giving up much of anything to get him, he gets you an experienced lead guard and signals we are serious about winning. He may not be the best fit out there, but we saw over the summer that the best fit ain't ever gonna come here.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:55 am to Bronc
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Of course with Griff's lack of patience I get the sense we will forever be trying to force square pegs trying to accelerate winning indefinitely
This trade deadline will determine this to a large extent.
I know there are some speculative fan theories on here, but if we only give up Hart and a 1st (essentially) for CJ and Heurter, then I could live with it. I doubt we get that sort of a deal, though.
CJ, Graham, Heurter, and BI give plenty of shooting around Zion and with Herb we have a ton of interesting lineup options.
If that's our "final form" then it could be a lot worse, and we still should have some extra picks down the road.
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