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re: 1st round pick to Charlotte turns to 2nds if not conveyed
Posted on 8/7/21 at 10:56 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 8/7/21 at 10:56 am to Epic Cajun
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A “valuable” first has not yet been traded.
Nonsense.
Same argument I heard from Demps defenders when we gave up a first that became Tobias Harris for Jeryd fricking Bayless.
Good teams find good players if they are good teams. Toronto, Miami, Memphis, Milwaukee, Denver, they all seem to find good talent all throughout the draft. So to claim they aren’t valuable if just rationalization run amok.
Same people that a week ago, and couple years before that, that were praising Griff for moving back because he could still get equal value now trying to claim those picks are worthless when Griff sells them off.
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 10:58 am
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Posted on 8/7/21 at 10:58 am to Bronc
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Getting deja vu from Demps era here.
Where everyone that wanted to defend Dell just kept repeating that who cares about potential when we got CERTAINTY!!
There might be a small difference in that, I don’t know, we’ve already added 8! players through the draft/UFA the last 3 years
Another reason I was much less upset about giving up a 1st the day after the more i thought about it. And if for some reason it’s a high pick, we get it back anyway.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 10:59 am to Bronc
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Getting deja vu from Demps era here.
I'd say there's a lot more discontent with the FO for Griff than in year 3 of Demps. Griff proved he's a slimy car salesman after year 1 and people just don't like or trust that.
He clearly whiffed on his plan this offseason and the end result was more expensive than it should have been because of it. It has left him largely dependent on improving the team through internal growth and addition by subtraction. I do think we'll see significant improvement though. Just switching focus from SVG and defense to MDA and offense will be a big help.
In hindsight I'd still do the Memphis trade because it was a relatively cheap fix for last year's mistakes. But he should have squeezed more from Chicago and paid less to Charlotte if there were no bigger fish to be landed.
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 11:01 am
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:00 am to Bronc
They're not incapable of seeing reality, they just choose not to.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:05 am to Bronc
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RFA that the other team couldn’t afford to bring back anyways.
Are you serious? Do you know how much room under the tax Charlotte has? They could've brought Graham back and still had about 20 million under.
That's the problem, you don't research before speaking about something, and you form an opinion based on a wrong "fact"
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 11:06 am
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:10 am to Soggymoss
We’re keeping that first rounder.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:14 am to Soggymoss
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Are you serious? Do you know how much room under the tax Charlotte has? They could've brought Graham back and still had about 20 million under.
That's the problem, you don't research before speaking about something, and you form an opinion based on a wrong "fact"
Mr. “Steven Adam’s is a steal and great deal, would get 25 million on the open market this season” trying to lecture on good offseason judgement
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:18 am to Bronc
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RFA that the other team couldn’t afford to bring back anyways.
Please explain how Graham on his deal is not an asset, or how Charlotte couldn’t afford to match a contract for 10.9 mil on a player that they have Bird Rights on. Even if they have a surplus of guards, they would’ve matched because he’s an asset on that deal.
I don’t understand why people choose to be pessimistic, it must be a miserable existence
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:21 am to Bronc
Never once said he would get 25 million a year, but ok guy
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:22 am to Bronc
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Good teams find good players if they are good teams. Toronto, Miami, Memphis, Milwaukee, Denver, they all seem to find good talent all throughout the draft. So to claim they aren’t valuable if just rationalization run amok.
Naw-Hayes-Kira-Didi-Trey-Jones and to technically Zion fits here too. All young players that we have drafted and developing.
That’s seven players still trying to figure it out.
How many projects can you expect a team to have before it affects the bottom line. Which is to win basketball games.
Value is relative to the situation.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:23 am to Don Pel
Also Naji
ETA: 9 of our players are 23 or younger. We have young talent.
ETA: 9 of our players are 23 or younger. We have young talent.
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 11:26 am
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:27 am to Soggymoss
I'm ok with this now.
If we manage to make it in the playoffs were we really going to use that 16th pick in the draft anyway? We would have a boatload of cap room, presumably to offer anyone we'd want. At that point the draft pick would only be necessary in trades because we certainly wouldn't be using it to bring a rookie on the roster. Start looking at 2022 FA's
If we manage to make it in the playoffs were we really going to use that 16th pick in the draft anyway? We would have a boatload of cap room, presumably to offer anyone we'd want. At that point the draft pick would only be necessary in trades because we certainly wouldn't be using it to bring a rookie on the roster. Start looking at 2022 FA's
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:28 am to Bronc
Lol, thanks for the laugh. Needed that one.
Come on Sogs, you know we failed this free agency period pretty badly. Easier to just accept now, instead of blindly justifying. We have a significant number of data points that is rather pointed in proving that Griff is often out of his depth when trying to maximize assets and build a roster that actually makes sense.
Jonas is better than Adams. Graham is similar to Ball. Bled being gone is addition by subtraction assuming Kira, Sato, and NAW fill his minutes in at least a slightly below average manner. Murphy might be a good addition as a ready to play Saddiq Bey type plug and play.
There were good things that happened, but if you gave Griff and Co truth serum they would grade their own free agency period as an F. Nothing went according to plan. Trading a first (protected) for Graham was probably not a top 10 plan for them coming into this offseason.
I don’t blame Griff on missing the big fish of the class. I blame him for not using his time and resources more wisely though. There were elite fit role players like Forbes, Doug Mcd, Olynk, Muscala that all ended up in small markets on contracts we could have technically competed with. And players like Portis that took about 40% what they were worth.
Come on Sogs, you know we failed this free agency period pretty badly. Easier to just accept now, instead of blindly justifying. We have a significant number of data points that is rather pointed in proving that Griff is often out of his depth when trying to maximize assets and build a roster that actually makes sense.
Jonas is better than Adams. Graham is similar to Ball. Bled being gone is addition by subtraction assuming Kira, Sato, and NAW fill his minutes in at least a slightly below average manner. Murphy might be a good addition as a ready to play Saddiq Bey type plug and play.
There were good things that happened, but if you gave Griff and Co truth serum they would grade their own free agency period as an F. Nothing went according to plan. Trading a first (protected) for Graham was probably not a top 10 plan for them coming into this offseason.
I don’t blame Griff on missing the big fish of the class. I blame him for not using his time and resources more wisely though. There were elite fit role players like Forbes, Doug Mcd, Olynk, Muscala that all ended up in small markets on contracts we could have technically competed with. And players like Portis that took about 40% what they were worth.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:37 am to Bronc
Saving a post from 9 months ago? Sheesh
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:38 am to Epic Cajun
quote:Yea, I always thought the Graham thing with Charlotte was just the fit since the got Lamelo, but I assumed they could afford Graham all along if they actually wanted to keep him.
Please explain how Graham on his deal is not an asset, or how Charlotte couldn’t afford to match a contract for 10.9 mil on a player that they have Bird Rights on. Even if they have a surplus of guards, they would’ve matched because he’s an asset on that deal.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:38 am to Epic Cajun
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Saving a post from 9 months ago? Sheesh
Memory + search engine, how does it work??
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:40 am to Bronc
That’s even worse than you bookmarking it. You remembered what a random poster said 9 months ago?
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:40 am to shel311
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Except for Bledsoe!!
Yeah if anything we're underselling this one
Posted on 8/7/21 at 11:46 am to Bronc
20-25 is not 25, that means he would be between those numbers, but cool of you to have a hard on for me to save those posts..
Still not gonna frick you
Still not gonna frick you
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