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re: Tyler Childers - Long Violent History (New album)
Posted on 9/19/20 at 9:30 am to PJinAtl
Posted on 9/19/20 at 9:30 am to PJinAtl
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I think the biggest thing is, his analogies don't really work. Why would a DNR ranger shoot anyone, black or white, rummaging through a tackle box?
That you don’t imagine that happening but Philando Castile was an immediate threat to life that needed to be killed is kind of his point though, no?
Plenty of these “I feared for my life and had to use lethal force” were far less than terrifying if you are approaching the now deceased as a son, brother, and neighbor. Plenty of them are in bad spots and not following the letter of the law but if game wardens are approaching the vet that might have illegal fish and is carrying a weapon with the same stance as the black guy that passed a bad check or is selling loose cigarettes then the discussion might change like opiates evolving from highly criminal to needing treatment and care when the problem hit the suburbs.
This post was edited on 9/19/20 at 9:32 am
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Posted on 9/19/20 at 9:51 am to NoSaint
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with the same stance as the black guy that passed a bad check or is selling loose cigarettes
This isnt really a racial thing no matter how much you want it to be. Cops unjustifiably kill white people just as much as they do black people, its just not a priority for media coverage.
Case in point, a white man was killed in January in basically the same way as Breonna Taylor. The media just wasn't interested in making that a nationwide story.
A white man was killed a few years ago in basically the same way as George Floyd, again the media was interested in making that a nationwide story.
That said, there are bad cops. Unjustified killings happen. They are very rare and isolated events these days though.
This post was edited on 9/19/20 at 9:59 am
Posted on 9/19/20 at 9:57 am to diddlydawg7
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The whole Breonna Taylor situation is a clusterfrick.
The judge signed a no-knock warrant, so the police barged in without announcing themselves. I don’t blame the guy for shooting intruders. At the same time, the cops were just doing their jobs. I think they fired one for shooting through a window blindly, as they should.
But within a couple weeks the city of Louisville banned no knock warrants, which was the real cause of the tragedy.
This is what some people dont understand.
There is no "justice" to be had here, the police committed no crime, to want them to be jailed is purely an emotional reaction.
The boyfriend says the police knocked, he and Taylor apparently had enough to time to be awakened by said knocks, to get out of bed, and into the hallway before the police entered. I don't blame the boyfriend for defending himself and them, I'd have probably done the same thing. Everyone was just in a bad position.
Officer firing through the window was a bad officer by all accounts and got what he deserved, from the angles and layout of the apartment though, he likely wasnt the one who actually killed her.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 7:22 pm to auggie
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That's politics though, and politics don't belong on a music foru
Comments like these are always the most inane possible. Can't discuss many great artist and the music they made since that music was often political in some way?
John Prine is having a good laugh at you.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 8:07 pm to Sayre
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Comments like these are always the most inane possible. Can't discuss many great artist and the music they made since that music was often political in some way? John Prine is having a good laugh at you.
Nobody said anything, about discussing an artist in general. I've seen This Tyler Childers guy discussed here numerous times, never said anything, one way or another, but when you start discussing a certain song, that seems to be such a hot button issue, that he had to make a video statement about it, then maybe, that discussion needs to be taken to the political forum.
This is a pretty laid back discussion forum, it would be nice to keep it that way. Everything in the world is being consumed by politics right now, I kind of get sick of it sometimes and need a place to escape from that. Nice to have a place where you can just talk about guitars or amps or headphones or whatever.
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John Prine is having a good laugh at you.
Well, that's fine, I've never spent a nickel on his music either. Nothing against him, it just isn't something I would spend money on.
This post was edited on 9/19/20 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 9/19/20 at 8:12 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Case in point, a white man was killed in January.
Do you think I’m unaware that this isn’t just a black issue?
But yea when we more aggressively police those communities it lands on their shoulders heavier
Posted on 9/19/20 at 9:48 pm to NoSaint
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But yea when we more aggressively police those communities it lands on their shoulders heavier
Those are narratives thrown around these days as fact when there's actually no proof that they are.
The media takes a subset of unjustified police killings (which are very isolated and rare anyway) and presents them as some "nationwide scourge" when that just isn't true.
There's so much demand and so little supply for these incidents that people like Michael Brown and Alton Sterling have to be included to artificially inflate the numbers.
Its one of the greatest falsehoods of this day.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 7:10 am to SidewalkTiger
Do you believe that a well to do white girl in a wealthy neighborhood and a black boy in an urban setting are treated similarly by their local police?
Who is more likely to be stopped? Who is more likely to have a bad outcome? How do those issues compound over a lifetime of interactions?
Yea, we can get into a variety of issues like police issues effecting whites too (agreed!) or that compliance helps your odds of surviving (agreed!) but if you can look around our justice system and don’t think there’s a bit of disparity im not sure what to say.
Who is more likely to be stopped? Who is more likely to have a bad outcome? How do those issues compound over a lifetime of interactions?
Yea, we can get into a variety of issues like police issues effecting whites too (agreed!) or that compliance helps your odds of surviving (agreed!) but if you can look around our justice system and don’t think there’s a bit of disparity im not sure what to say.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 7:51 am to NoSaint
What is the bigger issue affecting black people in this country, police killing innocent black people or black people killing innocent black people? We all know the answer. The problem is the 2nd one can’t even be mentioned, much less have famous celebrities rallying around trying to find a remedy for. The 1st one isn’t really an issue at all. Despite how extremely lopsided it is for blacks to commit criminal activity and violent crime vs whites, the data still doesn’t show an increased risk for blacks to be killed by police. It’s all just a made up, fake crisis perpetuated by you, TheDoc, Tyler Childers and the like and it does a HUGE disservice to black people in this country. You are the reason nothing will change in the black community. No matter how many conversations you start, feet you wash, reparations you pay, nothing will change. Cops shooting innocent blacks is not even a blip on the radar compared to the real issues facing the black community. It’s just a smoke screen. Congrats on being stupid.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 2:03 pm to monsterballads
Man, I was with him until the analogies. Those were terrible.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 3:05 pm to NoSaint
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Do you believe that a well to do white girl in a wealthy neighborhood and a black boy in an urban setting are treated similarly by their local police?
Who is more likely to be stopped? Who is more likely to have a bad outcome? How do those issues compound over a lifetime of interactions?
Yea, we can get into a variety of issues like police issues effecting whites too (agreed!) or that compliance helps your odds of surviving (agreed!) but if you can look around our justice system and don’t think there’s a bit of disparity im not sure what to say.
In my experience, anyone of any color in a wealthy neighborhood will have a better interaction than people in poor neighborhoods.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 4:22 pm to McCaigBro69
Thanks for the heads up. I will not be buying.
Posted on 9/20/20 at 7:51 pm to McCaigBro69
Nick Childer was a big one hit wonder
This post was edited on 9/20/20 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 9/20/20 at 7:51 pm to monsterballads
I think it’s gay that this dude from West Virginia that plays for frat boys and hipsters and has seen 3 black people in his whole life needs to give his retarded opinion
If you love black lives so much let them mug you or steal your car. A lot of people from Louisiana have already supported the movement involuntary, myself included
If you love black lives so much let them mug you or steal your car. A lot of people from Louisiana have already supported the movement involuntary, myself included
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:11 am to NoSaint
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Do you believe that a well to do white girl in a wealthy neighborhood and a black boy in an urban setting are treated similarly by their local police?
No I don't
I also don't think a wealthy black girl and a poor white guy from a trailer park are treated the same either.
Criminal Justice reform is needed in this country. Too many innocent people go to jail but its not a race issue.
It's more a wealth issue and there are some horrible prosecutors and judges who only care a about winning cases and putting people in prison
The problem is people like you and the rest of the libs go out of thier minds and pander, loot, a nd riot and make martyrs out of criminal which turns normal people off to the actual issues that can be fixed
Tyler is not educated enough to know he's being used
Posted on 9/21/20 at 1:17 pm to Midtiger farm
quote:What do you propose?
Criminal Justice reform is needed in this country.
quote:How many exactly?
Too many innocent people go to jail
Posted on 9/21/20 at 2:16 pm to AlxTgr
all politics aside, I think this is a great album and I'm not a huge fan of Timmy after his crap show at the Varsity.
Pretty ballsy to put out an instrumental fiddle album.
Pretty ballsy to put out an instrumental fiddle album.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 3:19 pm to NoSaint
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Do you believe that a well to do white girl in a wealthy neighborhood and a black boy in an urban setting are treated similarly by their local police?
Does the well to do white girl live in a neighborhood where the police have to show up and clean up a dead body or 10 every weekend? Do the neighbors in the well to do white girl's neighborhood often throw things and surround the police that respond to her neighborhood? Does the well to do white girl punch the officers? Go for their weapons?
I've heard this sort of argument in one form or another and it's lame. As the previous poster said, these issues are more complex than just bad cops and the responsibility of many of these communities themselves are never included in the equation. No one sheds tears for the numerous residents killed in these areas every week, but they have no problem making snap judgements when it comes to law enforcement.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 4:05 pm to LSUballs
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It was also a load of horse shite. Like all woke (read delusional) people they completely gloss over the fact that the fact that 99% of the people being “brutalized” by police bring the trouble on themselves by their own behavior.
Calls someone else's words horse shite by making up your own horse shite.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 4:06 pm to AlxTgr
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What do you propose?
1. No more no-knock warrants and civil asset forfeiture
2. Eliminate min sentencing for drug possession
3. Figure out how to eliminate/ or win the War on Drugs because what's happening now isn't working
4. Pay public defenders more and keep tabs on them to make sure they are doing a good job
5. Eliminate cash bail/ reform bond laws
6. Figure out how to lessen the role of politics in the DAs office and on the bench
7. Get rid of the death penalty - it's very costly and doesn't seem to deter people from committing crimes
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How many exactly?
Seen some estimates as low as 2.5% and as high as 5%
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