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re: Tyler Childers - Long Violent History (New album)

Posted on 9/18/20 at 12:45 pm to
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 12:45 pm to
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Back in June, when I wrote the song “Long Violent History,” it was my original goal to continue to make fairly legible sounds on the fiddle and put this album out with no announcements or press. I’d plan to package it as an old time fiddle album and let the piece make its statement on its own, taking the listener by surprise at the end. However, there has been concern that the album could run the risk of being misinterpreted if not given some sort of accompanying explanation to set it in context.

A writer can write an essay. But the writer can never predict or control how that essay is interpreted by the reader, be it in the tone of levelheaded calmness or a preachy, holier-than-thou condescending way.

As a recovering alcoholic who has drunk and drugged himself around the world playing music for the better part of 11 years and now has six months of sobriety, I can say with clarity that I have no soapbox to stand on, to talk preachy to anyone on anything. Be it the word of God or the condition of the world. But as a person who has been given a platform by providence, luck, support and working at it, I feel undeserving of the grace this world has given me, and I would find it a waste were I not to try and use it to make some good.

Long Violent History is a collection of instrumental pieces intended to create a sonic soundscape for the listener, to set the tone to reflect on the last track, which is my own observational piece on the times we are in.

Covid has been a strain on all of us in some form or fashion. People have been cooped up and quarantined. People have lost their jobs and are struggling to make ends meet. People have lost their family members. The country is feeling a general angst. All the while, we’ve all witnessed violent acts of police brutality happen around the nation that have gone unaddressed. In response, we’ve seen protests turn to riots and riots culminate in acts of violence and destruction of property. From the outsider’s perspective, it’s hard to see where all this visceral anger is coming from.

What I believe to be one of the biggest obstacles in pinpointing the cause of this is our inability to empathize with another individual or group’s plight. In the midst of our own daily struggles, it’s often hard to share an understanding for what another person might be going through. With that in mind, at the risk of mistakenly analogizing two groups of people, I would ask my white rural listeners to think on this. I don’t mean to imply that many of you aren’t already doing good self-examination on this issue, but I have heard from many who have not.

What if we were to constantly open up our daily paper and see a headline like “East Kentucky Man Shot Seven Times on a Fishing Trip?” Read on to find the man was shot while fishing with his son by a game warden, who saw him rummaging through his tackle box for his license and thought he was reaching for a knife. What if we read a story that began, “North Carolina man rushing home from work to take his elderly mother to the E.R. runs stop sign and was pulled over — beaten by police when they see a gun rack in his truck.”

Or a headline like “Ashland Community and Technical College Nursing Student Shot in Her Sleep.” How would we react to that? What form of upheaval would that create? I’d venture to say if we were met with this type of daily attack on our own people, we would take action in a way that hasn’t been seen since the Battle of Blair Mountain in West Virginia.

And if we wouldn’t stand for it, why would we expect another group of Americans to stand for it? Why would we stand silent while it happened? Or worse, get in the way of it being rectified? I’ve heard people from my Appalachian region say that we wouldn’t act the way we’ve seen depicted on various media outlets. But I’ve also seen grown folks beat each other up the day after Thanksgiving for TVs and teddy bears. And these aren’t things these communities have lost. These are sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, and cousins, mothers and fathers. Irreplaceable threads within their family fiber torn from their loved ones too soon with no justice, and they are demanding change. Same as I expect we would find. Life is hard enough without being worried about the smallest interaction with a public servant.

So what can the rest of us who feel seemingly outside of these issues do? First, we can use our voting power to get rid of the people who’ve been in power and let this go unnoticed. Chances are the people allowing this to happen are the same people keeping opportunity out of reach for our own communities, that have watched job opportunities shipped out, and drugs shipped in, eating up our communities and leaving our people desperate, in what some folks would deem a food desert. We can stop being so taken aback by Black Lives Matter. If we didn’t need to be reminded, there would be justice for Breonna Taylor, a Kentuckian like me, and countless others.

We can start looking for ways to preserve our heritage outside lazily defending a flag with history steeped in racism and treason.

Things like hewing a log, carving a bowl, learning a fiddle tune, growing a garden, raising some animals, canning our own food, hunting and processing the animal, fishing, blacksmithing, trapping and tanning the hide, sewing a quilt. And if we did things like that, we’d have a lot less time to argue back and forth over things we don’t fully know, backed by news we can’t fully trust. Love each other. No exceptions. And remember, united we stand, divided we fall.
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 1:02 pm
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 12:46 pm to
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That's politics though, and politics don't belong on a music forum.


when the lyrics are political, I would assume that it would be ok to discuss.
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 12:59 pm to
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I needed this today.



Me too. I’m glad Tyler started this conversation and I hope TheDoc apologizes for me.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27800 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 1:03 pm to
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when the lyrics are political, I would assume that it would be ok to discuss.

Ok, that's a fair point, but let me ask you this: If "I", as a musician, songwriter, who likes to put something of my own, on this forum occasionally, for opinions and critiques, were to voice opinions on political matters, very loudly, do you think that would have an effect on the opinions of my songs, or cause some people not to even listen? It would me.
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 1:04 pm to
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I've learned to totally separate artists' politics from their music in a lot of instances because I just can't trust their outward politics as being anything other than "towing the company line" in a way.


tyler isn't towing any company line here. he is speaking for himself. but yeah, you have to separate the art from the artist when it comes to entertainment a lot of times if you don't agree with them politically.
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 1:05 pm to
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or cause some people not to even listen?


that's the chance you take with being politcal. half of your audience is going to not like it.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 1:09 pm to
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that's the chance you take with being politcal. half of your audience is going to not like it.

That's why it seems like a dumb thing to do.
Edit to add: If you let your political reputation precede you, you will alienate 1/2 of your POTENTIAL audience, before they ever even listen to you. On top of that, you may lose 1/2 of the existing audience that you were lucky enough to already have.
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 1:24 pm
Posted by AUGDawg
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 1:41 pm to
tilco really got his feelings hurt.

I bet Sturgill really melts you
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 1:49 pm to
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If you let your political reputation precede you, you will alienate 1/2 of your POTENTIAL audience, before they ever even listen to you. On top of that, you may lose 1/2 of the existing audience that you were lucky enough to already have.


to some people, it's worth it
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 2:02 pm to
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to some people, it's worth it

Some people think that it's worth it, only to realize a few years later, just how big they fricked up. I know that what I believed in, when I was 30, is almost arse backwards of what I know now.
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 3:18 pm to
seems like in the song he's pointing out if the same things were happening to white people in his area, they'd be up in arms. problem is, it does happen to white people. it's just not highlighted by the media at large. the main problem as I see it is that the police force as a whole in this country is too aggressive in a lot of their tactics. policing is not an exact science and I get that but there seems to be too many instances where the cop was overzealous and makes a mistake in a situation and it costs someone their life. now, it appears this happens at a greater clip for minorities but the statistics don't back that up (from what i've read anyways)
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 3:42 pm to
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seems like in the song he's pointing out if the same things were happening to white people in his area, they'd be up in arms. problem is, it does happen to white people. it's just not highlighted by the media at large. the main problem as I see it is that the police force as a whole in this country is too aggressive in a lot of their tactics. policing is not an exact science and I get that but there seems to be too many instances where the cop was overzealous and makes a mistake in a situation and it costs someone their life. now, it appears this happens at a greater clip for minorities but the statistics don't back that up (from what i've read anyways)

I agree with most of this, except, I don't care if a white piece of criminal garbage, resists arrest goes for a weapon, and gets his arse killed. Good riddance, and I don't care about the race of the officer who shoots him. I'm not going to melt down, about a frick up, fricking up one last time. The community became a better place. I think that's how most white folks feel. Not going to make him a martyr.
I believe that most black people feel this way too, about their criminals getting taken out, but it's too valuable of a talking pity point, for them to tell the truth about it.

You know damn well, the guy that got killed in Pa. the other day, his Mama is sleeping better these days. She doesn't have to worry about him stealing from her, or threatening her with a knife.
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 3:51 pm to
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now, it appears this happens at a greater clip for minorities



You know who it happens to 99% of the time? Criminals
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 8:28 pm to
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You know who it happens to 99% of the time? Criminals


Know what dead men don’t get?

Convicted.

Know how many of these guys committed crimes that would face the death penalty?

I’d say somewhere approaching none among those publicized.
Posted by WDE_315
ATL
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 9:23 pm to
Proud of Tyler speaking up despite some of his close-minded fans. Tyler, Sturgill, and Isbell are following in the footsteps of the great John Prine. Hope y’all can enjoy the great music without getting so triggered.

Then again, y’all will keep listening.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52302 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:02 pm to
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Know how many of these guys committed crimes that would face the death penalty?

I’d say somewhere approaching none among those publicized.





They aren't being killed for committing a crime.

They're being killed because they're pulling weapons on and attacking officers. They're being killed because they made themselves a threat to the safety of the officers and others.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52302 posts
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:03 pm to
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ok and what about breanna taylor?


She was caught in a crossfire after her boyfriend shot a cop.

quote:

She was wrongly killed by a stupid cop. Terrible, inexcusable situation in which swift , hard justice was needed for the cop who did it


On what charge?
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 9/19/20 at 6:09 am to
The whole Breonna Taylor situation is a clusterfrick.

The judge signed a no-knock warrant, so the police barged in without announcing themselves. I don’t blame the guy for shooting intruders. At the same time, the cops were just doing their jobs. I think they fired one for shooting through a window blindly, as they should.

But within a couple weeks the city of Louisville banned no knock warrants, which was the real cause of the tragedy.
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
13470 posts
Posted on 9/19/20 at 6:20 am to
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tilco really got his feelings hurt.

I bet Sturgill really melts you



I’m ok with Tyler making this statement. I disagree with it and I think he looks foolish comparing inner city blacks with Kentucky fisherman. Doesn’t make me melt or triggered.
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
12740 posts
Posted on 9/19/20 at 7:24 am to
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Proud of Tyler speaking up despite some of his close-minded fans. Tyler, Sturgill, and Isbell are following in the footsteps of the great John Prine. Hope y’all can enjoy the great music without getting so triggered.
He can speak his mind, that's his right. It is also my right to disagree with him.

I think the biggest thing is, his analogies don't really work. Why would a DNR ranger shoot anyone, black or white, rummaging through a tackle box? What did that person do to make the ranger think he/she might have a knife or use it? He mentions "justice for Breonna Taylor...and countless others." Who are these countless others? The others that the BLM narrative is built on were not innocent people. Michael Brown was assaulting a cop and trying to get his gun; Rayshard Brooks fought off two police officers, stole one's taser and fired it at them; Jacob Blake wrestled off multiple officers, was not phased by a taser, and was reaching into a car for a knife.

He talks about voting out the people who have watched jobs shipped out and drugs shipped in. Guess what, Trump has been reversing that jobs shipped out idea, but Trump is also the one that these woke musicians are wanting people to vote out of office. He also takes a shot at people defending the Confederate flag for heritage. But look around...it isn't just the flag. It is statues (not only of Confederates but founding fathers, other Presidents, pretty much any white male from pre-1960s), building names, street names, etc. It is the whole give an inch, they take a mile.
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