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re: NYT lists 30 Greatest Living American Songwriters

Posted on 4/29/26 at 7:10 pm to
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 4/29/26 at 7:10 pm to
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but before that, was a majority of her own work
Doubtful. Who was Aaron Dessner and Liz Rose?
This post was edited on 4/29/26 at 7:11 pm
Posted by grifterfad
Mobile, Al
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 4/29/26 at 7:11 pm to
Billy Joel
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85092 posts
Posted on 4/29/26 at 7:15 pm to
quote:

Doubtful. Who was Aaron Dessner and Liz Rose?


From google

quote:

Taylor Swift has written or co-written every song in her discography, including over 60 songs written entirely alone. She often collaborates with producers Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner, Max Martin, and Shellback.



Not a fan, like I said, but looks like she has done a lot on her own
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 4/29/26 at 7:16 pm to
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Billy Joel


Great callout
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/29/26 at 7:19 pm to
These cranky old men get upset at the idea of some 20 year old pop star being more talented than the grandpa rock they listen to from the 60s.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 4/29/26 at 7:19 pm to
Again, doubtful. That's crap put out by publicists. There was a video by Rick Beato that said as much.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/29/26 at 7:31 pm to
Looking at all the people above Willie just makes me angry.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
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Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:03 pm to
Rick Beato roasts this, 2 hours ago posted.

Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 4/30/26 at 12:04 am to
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...and yes, McCartney has had his primary residence in Arizona for over 50 years.
I don't know about primary, but he does own a ranch there. He's lived in Long Island for decades I think.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 4/30/26 at 12:04 am to
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85092 posts
Posted on 4/30/26 at 4:59 am to
His video highlights what I called out earlier, how do they define a songwriter?

It sounds like they are attempting to talk about best Lyricists, which is different than a song writer.

Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 4/30/26 at 6:56 am to
So no Hetfield, Cuomo, Corgan, etc but we’re going to put a who’s who of 2000s hip hop crap.
This post was edited on 4/30/26 at 6:57 am
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85092 posts
Posted on 4/30/26 at 7:06 am to
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So no Hetfield, Cuomo, Corgan, etc but we’re going to put a who’s who of 2000s hip hop crap.


Again, lyricists or song writers...

Hetfield isn't a great lyricist, but song composition along with Hammit, Newstead, Burton, etc... yes, maybe Metallica would be on the cusp of the Top 30
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177328 posts
Posted on 4/30/26 at 8:43 am to
Billy Joel is a massive omission. He’s close to the top of the list.
Posted by Dawglovertoo
Member since Mar 2026
493 posts
Posted on 4/30/26 at 8:57 am to
Out of the people named in that list the top 6 should be

Bob Dylan
Paul Simon
Carole King
Willy Nelson
Smokie Robinson
Stevie Wonder
This post was edited on 4/30/26 at 8:59 am
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
19915 posts
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:15 am to
Realistically it's:

1) Bob Dylan
2) Paul Simon
3) James Taylor
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:32 am to
Asking out of ignorance...did Mariah Carey really write stuff?
Posted by BabysArmHoldingApple
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2016
1347 posts
Posted on 4/30/26 at 9:48 am to
Springsteen should be higher.

And Jason Isbell is way better than a lot on the list.

Completely disagree with their stated politics but most of the songs don't reflect those politics and are worthy on merit.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
13252 posts
Posted on 4/30/26 at 10:08 am to
Why so much love for Paul Simon? He wrote some great stuff but also stole music from Los Lobos.That song totally sounds like a Los Lobos song. I would replace him w/ Neil Young.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
19915 posts
Posted on 4/30/26 at 10:30 am to
Are you talking about the songs from Graceland?
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