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re: Grunge's best vocalist?

Posted on 4/6/19 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by High C
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 12:43 pm to
Cornell. Distinct, inimitable, powerful. Never be another like him. I love Staley, but DuVall has stepped in after his death quite nicely. No one could step in for Cornell, imo.
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 1:40 pm to
I don't know that I'd consider Soundgarden grunge (just an opinion don't get your feelings hurt people). I always figured them more alternative/hard rock. That being said, since this is an opinion thread, for me it's Frank Black (Pixies) maybe that's not grunge enough either but rather it's precursor. Great question.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 2:17 pm to
Staley. His range was incredible and he sounded better live than Cornell.
Posted by TigersMaul Bammers
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 2:54 pm to
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 for me it's Frank Black (Pixies) maybe that's not grunge enough either but rather it's precursor. 


Pixies were certainly proto-grunge. Cobain admitted to ripping off the LOUDsoftLOUDsoft sound. Plus, I'd never consider Bkack Francis as much of a vocalist.

Helluva songwriter and the genius behind probably my favorite band of all time, though.
Posted by 91TIGER
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 3:30 pm to
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What do you think?




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Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 4:29 pm to
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much of a vocalist.


Right on. I'm sure we could go on forever about the semantics of a vocalist vs a singer. I consider BF a vocalist and CC a singer but I probably have them backwards. To me, to be a singer takes vocal talent whereas a vocalist is more a stage prescience thing. Even those are wrong from an actual traditional definition sense.

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A singer is one who sings film songs or sometimes referred to as a playback singer. On the other hand, a vocalist is the one who sings classical music. This is the main difference between the two words. classical singer is called a vocalist, whereas a playback singer is simply called by the name singer.
Posted by TxTiger82
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 4:58 pm to
Cornell
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 5:00 pm to
This question, and the answers given to it, really sum up the problem with the “grunge” label. True grunge is bands like Tad, Mudhoney, early Nirvana, etc. that focused on sludgy, quasi-metal riffs combined with intentionally weird, offputting vocals and played with an overall punk ethos. When Nirvana became the Next Big Thing, “grunge” became the word that every music label wanted to attach to their acts, and so many bands who had nothing to do with the movement got stuck with the label. I am a big fan of Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, and Stone Temple Pilots, but those bands have more in common with cock rock than they ever did with grunge. Hell, even Nirvana was no longer really a grunge band by the time they recorded Nevermind - they had sort of transmogrified into their own thing. No other band before or after has managed to effectively capture that same sound, but whatever it was, it wasn’t grunge anymore. It can be argued pretty effectively that there was never actually a “grunge era” in popular music at all. No band playing real, honest-to-goodness grunge rock ever even flirted with big time mainstream success.

Now, if the question is who was the best early-90’s alternative vocalist, then I’ll go with Cornell. I don’t always like his work, but his talent cannot be denied.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 5:25 pm to
Soundgarden was literally on the Deep Six compilation. You make some good points about stylistic differences and the difficulty of the grunge label. But you are understating Soundgarden's involvement with the grunge movement from its earliest days. They were a part of it from the beginning.

Posted by midnight1961
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 7:21 pm to
All are great choices as well as Cobain, but I think Vedder needs to be in this conversation. Great vocalist of a great band.
Posted by neauxlaa
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 7:43 pm to
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One of the best vocalist of any genre


Nah no way dude...there are some SICK deathcore vocalists out there. You haven't heard pipes until you've heard:

Tom Barber - Currently> Chelsea Grin
Alex Terrible - Currently> Slaughter To Prevail
Ben Watson - Currently> Enterprise Earth
Ben Deur - Currently > Shadows of Intent

This is to name a few.
Posted by WhiteMandingo
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 9:20 pm to
Cornell
Posted by Del Devereaux
West Hollywood, CA
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 10:27 pm to
1. Layne Staley

2. Eddie Vedder (Distant Second)

3. Chris Cornell

4. Kevin Martin

5. Kurt Cobain
Posted by Paul Allen
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 10:45 pm to
Billy Corgan
Posted by metalfacedterrorist
Athens, GA
Member since Jul 2018
260 posts
Posted on 4/6/19 at 11:05 pm to
Cobain’s vocal abilities, or lack thereof, are due in part to the punk aesthetic of his music. Punks rebelled against virtuosity and precision. The attitude and message behind the music was more essential.

In Utero was originally produced as a much more polished record, comparable to the prior release. However, Cobain seemed to desire a rawer sound that would be perceived as less commercial-sounding. In other words, it was often a conscious decision by Cobain to sound unpolished and aggressive.

While his vocals are by no means as polished as others and his range is paltry when juxtaposed to other rock frontmen, his vocal quality is much more emotive and iconic.

Vedder’s yarling vocals have been copied and mimicked to the point of parody, but many singers desperately sought to emulate Cobain’s pain and anguish.

The final notes of “Where Did You Sleep Last Night” off of Unplugged are some of the most powerful and gut-wrenching vocals ever put to record. His broken, raspy, and wailing voice personifies the spirit of Leadbelly’s blues and fuses it with the frustrations and melancholy of grunge.
This post was edited on 4/9/19 at 6:15 am
Posted by metalfacedterrorist
Athens, GA
Member since Jul 2018
260 posts
Posted on 4/6/19 at 11:10 pm to
Cornell will forever be the gold standard of rock vocals. There are only a handful of metal vocalists who can compete with his range and sheer power.

Staley is not very far behind. His work on Mad Season’s Above is what demonstrates to me his sheer talent. However, his harmonies with Cantrell are what really pushes AIC’s vocals over the top. Meanwhile, Cornell does all of the heavy lifting himself.

As others have said, Lannegan’s lower register is hard to top. And Weiland perhaps has the cleanest vocal approach.
Posted by cave canem
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 2:10 am to
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Cornell will forever be the gold standard of rock vocals.



I love Cornell but that is a step too far.

Mercury, Bowie, and Plant are certainly his equals and that is just off the top of my head.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 8:44 am to
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Cornell and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what a vocalist is.




That's kinda smug, but I won't argue.

And I am a HUGE Pearl Jam fan.

Cornell's later stuff set him apart.

Staley died too soon and always needed Cantrell harmonies to be great.

Vedder has lived on and his voice is still there but smoking has damaged it.
Posted by metalfacedterrorist
Athens, GA
Member since Jul 2018
260 posts
Posted on 4/7/19 at 9:14 am to
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Mercury, Bowie, and Plant are certainly his equals and that is just off the top of my head


Mercury, yes.

But it’s laughable to compare Bowie and Plant to the siren vocals of Cornell. Both are excellent singers, but neither can hold a candle to hIs work on “Jesus Christ Pose”.
This post was edited on 4/7/19 at 9:18 am
Posted by SelaTiger
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 9:17 am to
Cornell had a wider range. Staley had a better voice and sang with soul.
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