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re: Am I alone on the Radiohead kinda sucks island?
Posted on 1/27/22 at 1:40 pm to Funky Tide 8
Posted on 1/27/22 at 1:40 pm to Funky Tide 8
quote:It's pretending like it's something it isn't. e.g. They pretend that having garbled nonsense instead of actual melody is good. It isn't. It's bad.
I've seen this word used several times in this thread. What exactly is "pretentious" about Radiohead's work?
Or "Fake Plastic Trees". Do you see what they did there? Plastic trees are already fake - but they said "fake" anyway! They're pretending it's profound. It isn't. It's 7th grade notebook scribbling.
The frustrating part is how much potential there is. I think "Paranoid Android" is flat out one of the greatest rock tunes of all time. If they had an entire catalogue of those, they really WOULD be one of the best ever. Instead, that's pretty much it.
Of course, there's also "Creep". But please remember - the band and the fan base are so pretentious that it's basically considered to be too low brow to unironically like creep.
Also, Karma Police has a good, haunting melody (sort of ruined by terrible arrangement.)
It's OK to be experimental - but not at the expense of listenability. I often say Muse is Radiohead...but with actual good songs.
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Posted on 1/27/22 at 1:56 pm to Saint Alfonzo
quote:Exactly. Just terrible, terrible music. 90% lead singer caused though.
Outside of Creep, Radiohead sucks arse and balls
Posted on 1/27/22 at 3:07 pm to Funky Tide 8
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"getting it" in my mind is your brain being able to make sense of it in a way that is enjoyable to you
absolutely not. Because by your logic, everything on earth that you comprehend and understand or otherwise "get" would then automatically be enjoyable. You can completely and thoroughly "get" something and still hate it.
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Everyone's brain is different and processes sounds differently.
yes, exactly. So there are millions of people out there that dislike radiohead simply because they don't like the sound of their music, not because they're too ignorant to "get it".
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I even said that there are plenty of bands and artists out there that are highly-acclaimed, and are clearly talented and creative that I don't get. Doesn't mean that those bands or artists aren't really good at what they do, and it doesn't mean I'm too stupid to "get it."
Sometimes it takes a lot of listening for me to "get" something.
At this point I think we just aren't on the same page as far as what the word 'get' means. You seem to be using it in the sense that you only "get" something the moment your brain decides it likes it. Like a switch being flipped. Is that right? I'm referring to the more common definition along the lines of comprehension or understanding. Your post that I first responded to made it sound like the OP dislikes radiohead because their music is just too far outside his understanding. You see it all the time with snobby art lovers.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 7:51 pm to WG_Dawg
fig rock
Posted on 1/27/22 at 8:08 pm to WG_Dawg
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At this point I think we just aren't on the same page as far as what the word 'get' means. You seem to be using it in the sense that you only "get" something the moment your brain decides it likes it. Like a switch being flipped. Is that right? I'm referring to the more common definition along the lines of comprehension or understanding
Yes, clearly that is how I'm using it.
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yes, exactly. So there are millions of people out there that dislike radiohead simply because they don't like the sound of their music, not because they're too ignorant to "get it".
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Your post that I first responded to made it sound like the OP dislikes radiohead because their music is just too far outside his understanding
I never said anything about ignorance, or anyone being unintelligent. I even admitted that I don't get certain bands and artists. I wasn't calling myself stupid lol
This post was edited on 1/27/22 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 1/27/22 at 8:20 pm to Funky Tide 8
You guys need to settle down.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 8:55 pm to JumpingTheShark
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I don’t really get what I’m missing here.
I'll see your island and raise you the "Radiohead and Tool suck" Island
Posted on 1/27/22 at 9:31 pm to JumpingTheShark
Not a fan of them, But “High and Dry” is one of my favorite songs
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:07 pm to Pettifogger
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I'll see your island and raise you the "Radiohead and Tool suck" Island
And that might be my two favorite bands ever
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:11 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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I didn't like them until I watched this In Rainbows from the basement video: From the Basement
That video is way better than the actual album.
Agree. I didn’t care much for In Rainbows at first, but after the From the Basement it became one of my favorite.
I just wish they had included Jigsaw Falling Into on the Basement recording and had included Go Slowly on the studio album
Posted on 1/28/22 at 5:54 am to WG_Dawg
quote:It's a truly ignorant thing to say, especially with Radiohead. I mean, there's nothing to get really. I could possibly see it with something like Dinosaur Jr., but even then, it's just a dismissive thing to say with no actual support.
You just don't get it
I despise this line of thinking
Posted on 1/28/22 at 6:02 am to river_man
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fig rock
name some good bands.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 8:58 am to Big Scrub TX
Sigh. The only pretentious thing I see is the discussion in this thread. "I don't like it, therefore it is crap and anyone who listens to it is stupid" is hipster-level thinking, no different from actual hipsters who don't "get" country music and think anyone who listens to it is stupid. If you don't like Radiohead then you don't like Radiohead, but that doesn't make you better than someone that does, and of course the corollary is also true.
Now, having said that, I think to really get Radiohead you had to be there when they released The Bends, OK Computer, and Kid A. Radiohead were one of the biggest bands around after The Bends came out. Songs like "Just" and "High and Dry" and "Fake Plastic Trees" were very well-received, but they weren't groundbreaking. Still, even so, The Bends was considered one of the best albums of the mid-90's, and Radiohead had gone from a band everyone assumed would be a one-hit wonder after "Creep" to one of the most respected bands out there.
Then word started to come out that Radiohead's next album was not just going to hit the same heights as The Bends, but would push the band into actual groundbreaking territory and might be a "best albums of all time" candidate. When OK Computer was finally released it was a massive hit, and it really didn't sound like anything anyone else at the time was doing. They left behind the "guitar band" label and brought in elements of electronica, ambient, and even dance in a way no one had to that point. I mean they more or less literally created 21st-century indie rock from scratch on that album and the two follow-ups, Kid A and Amnesiac. If they sound derivative today it isn't because they are copying everyone else. It's because everyone else is copying them. Listening to OK Computer in 1997 was a much different experience than listening to it now.
Now, having said all that, none of that will make you like them if you don't. But to claim they aren't groundbreaking because you don't like them is silly. You might not like the ground they broke, but they are the most groundbreaking and important band since 1995.
Now, having said that, I think to really get Radiohead you had to be there when they released The Bends, OK Computer, and Kid A. Radiohead were one of the biggest bands around after The Bends came out. Songs like "Just" and "High and Dry" and "Fake Plastic Trees" were very well-received, but they weren't groundbreaking. Still, even so, The Bends was considered one of the best albums of the mid-90's, and Radiohead had gone from a band everyone assumed would be a one-hit wonder after "Creep" to one of the most respected bands out there.
Then word started to come out that Radiohead's next album was not just going to hit the same heights as The Bends, but would push the band into actual groundbreaking territory and might be a "best albums of all time" candidate. When OK Computer was finally released it was a massive hit, and it really didn't sound like anything anyone else at the time was doing. They left behind the "guitar band" label and brought in elements of electronica, ambient, and even dance in a way no one had to that point. I mean they more or less literally created 21st-century indie rock from scratch on that album and the two follow-ups, Kid A and Amnesiac. If they sound derivative today it isn't because they are copying everyone else. It's because everyone else is copying them. Listening to OK Computer in 1997 was a much different experience than listening to it now.
Now, having said all that, none of that will make you like them if you don't. But to claim they aren't groundbreaking because you don't like them is silly. You might not like the ground they broke, but they are the most groundbreaking and important band since 1995.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:03 am to TheTideMustRoll
I haven't listened to Radiohead enough to form a concrete opinion but some of ya'll have a personal issue with this band based on the comments 
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.Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:08 am to TheTideMustRoll
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They left behind the "guitar band" label and brought in elements of electronica, ambient, and even dance in a way no one had to that point. I mean they more or less literally created 21st-century indie rock from scratch on that album and the two follow-ups, Kid A and Amnesiac. If they sound derivative today it isn't because they are copying everyone else. It's because everyone else is copying them.
Truth
I’d put Reznor in the same basket with them though.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:13 am to TheTideMustRoll
quote:I don't claim they are not ground breaking because I don't like them. I claim they are not ground breaking because they are not ground breaking. Important?
But to claim they aren't groundbreaking because you don't like them is silly. You might not like the ground they broke, but they are the most groundbreaking and important band since 1995.
Not only are they not the most important band of any time, they are not important, at all. Nothing in your post is objectively correct. This band should be in my wheelhouse. I hate them. I hate them because their songs suck. It's really that simple. Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:15 am to Marciano1
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I haven't listened to Radiohead enough to form a concrete opinion but some of ya'll have a personal issue with this band based on the comments
Eh, I don't care if someone does or doesn't like Radiohead, or any other band for that matter. That all comes down to personal taste. I just don't care for someone saying, "I don't like it therefore it sucks and has no value at all." Radiohead clearly has value in the world of popular music whether you like them or not. To use an example of a band I don't particularly care for, the Grateful Dead are the same way. I don't like them, but I can admit they have value because of the impact they had on others. They broke ground, I just don't care for the ground they broke.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:18 am to AlxTgr
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I don't claim they are not ground breaking because I don't like them. I claim they are not ground breaking because they are not ground breaking. Important? Not only are they not the most important band of any time, they are not important, at all.
Ok. Who were they ripping off, then?
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:19 am to AlxTgr
Not that there’s a right or wrong answer to this but who would be the groundbreaking band in the same time period?
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:40 am to TheTideMustRoll
quote:Wait, bands are either ground breaking or they are ripping someone off? I reject your premise.
Who were they ripping off, then?
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