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re: You can see everything

Posted on 10/19/26 at 12:09 am to
Posted by Eighteen
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Posted on 10/19/26 at 12:09 am to
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The last third of the doc I'm still trying to process because there are so many dense meta-narratives going on. It was incredible to witness


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She just really seemed like a little bitch. And I knew nothing about her Kirk comments and was thinking it before she got into it with Billy. That dude has issues, but kudos to him for not taking any shite off her and going right back at her.


Yeah…still grappling with a lot of how I feel about the doc and Elizabeth specifically, but how “know it all” Amanda was from the start really was eye opening.

I appreciated her helping portray Holmes and fill in the gaps for the doc, but…Saying hateful things like “I want to break them up” and “he’s a narcissist” etc. when she really doesn’t know him or their relationship at all. And then questioning Nathan at the end?

Her defending made up lines and scenes and being offended Elizabeth and Billy would be mad at her portrayal…and justifying it by oh it’s just TV that’s just how it is really rubbed me the wrong way. Nathan called her out directly and saying “well she could have said it” was rough especially with the NYT reporter also making up a quote.

That attitude and the purposeful inclusion of showing how the New York Times article isn’t trustworthy really does make me sort of question a lot…did the media really help profit off of creating the “Steve Jobs Elizabeth Holmes” caricature and then also happily profit off of tearing her down.

Or Elizabeth is the most manipulative person in the world. And the inclusion of Nathan swimming with her in the ocean at the end really flipped the entire thing on its head even more.

3 hours went by quick and you really did want more

This post was edited on 10/19/26 at 1:14 am
Posted by threeputtforbogie
Addison, TX
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 10/19/26 at 12:41 am to
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The nude scene with the guy’s dong in the shower was an odd choice to include. It added nothing to the movie, other than a cheap laugh ( I laughed).


I took it as an early sign of how narcissistic Billy is. Dude wanted to be filmed working out and showering. The awkward scene right after with Nathan was pretty funny.
Posted by Eighteen
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Posted on 10/19/26 at 12:17 pm to
I think it was included for a few reasons:

1) like you mentioned, Billy wanted it and it showed how he cared about his image and vanity in general (footage of him working out, his being good at sex, commenting on Elizabeth having a six pack in prison)

2) “you can see everything” … really set the stage for “everything”

3) conspiracy theory … at the time, Billy thought they were going to get share of profits. is he smart/clever enough to think that by having an R rating for gratuitous nudity would drive conversation and numbers by people assuming it would include Elizabeth Holmes nudity?
Posted by ILurkThereforeIAm
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 11:20 am to
For anyone else on the North Shore....I reached out to the Movie Taven in Covington and they just let me know they're going to start showing it this Friday.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 2:33 pm to
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 2:39 pm to
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For anyone else on the North Shore....I reached out to the Movie Taven in Covington and they just let me know they're going to start showing it this Friday.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:50 pm to
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Saying hateful things like “I want to break them up” and “he’s a narcissist” etc. when she really doesn’t know him or their relationship at all


Watching the doc, he 100% came off like a narcissist to me.

Like, I think he genuinely cares about her. He just does it in an incredibly narcissistic way.

There is part of me that thinks she absolutely believes the things she is saying. She is just a crazy person.
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 8:41 pm to
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Watching the doc, he 100% came off like a narcissist to me. Like, I think he genuinely cares about her. He just does it in an incredibly narcissistic way. There is part of me that thinks she absolutely believes the things she is saying. She is just a crazy person.


Oh I agree. I just don’t think it’s a random actress’ place to say “I want to break them up” when she literally doesn’t know anything about them or their relationship.

Their relationship is bizarre but it doesn’t seem unhealthy and shouldn’t get hate from randos
Posted by Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 8:58 pm to
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Oh I agree. I just don’t think it’s a random actress’ place to say “I want to break them up” when she literally doesn’t know anything about them or their relationship.


There’s a reason I left that part out of my response

I agree with you on that part.
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
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Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:01 am to
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She is just a crazy person.


They are both insane. Billy is a coked out POS with too much of daddy’s money, while Elizabeth is psychopath. I just feel for their children
Posted by Jay Are
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Posted on 10/21/26 at 9:32 am to
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Saying hateful things like “I want to break them up” and “he’s a narcissist” etc. when she really doesn’t know him or their relationship at all.


She said that based on the first half of the film that Fielder showed her, which was presumably the same first half that the audience saw.

The Billy presented in the first half of the film is absolutely narcissistic and controlling. That only gets worse in the second half. Seyfried's reaction to watching the footage wasn't hateful, it was impulsive. That impulse was protective. And it mirrored what the vast majority of the viewing audience was feeling.

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And then questioning Nathan at the end?


Nathan very much opened himself up to this questioning, to the point that he seemed to actively want it. Nathan can't really make the end point without the questioning.

Posted by spehog
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Posted on 10/21/26 at 1:07 pm to
Movie is getting award nominations buzz. Kalshi has it at number 2 odds for best picture. Imagine how pissed Christopher Nolan would be recreating one of the most well known epics of all time only to loss to Nathan fielder after he took a random email asking to film Elizabeth Holmes .
This post was edited on 10/21/26 at 1:09 pm
Posted by smokeswithwolves
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 10/23/26 at 12:11 am to
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I wonder if fielder choose that title as a tip to the skit name


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The name of the movie is the text that she sent him on the beach “btw you can totally see everything” - which is right after them talking about him moving into the beach house full time


The biggest laugh in my theater came when Nathan “liked” that text message.

Anyway, the movie might properly be titled You Could See Everything. That's part of its significance.

There's a lot to unpack. For those on the fence regarding theaters, it’s worth it. Oppenheim has an innovative approach to shooting which is very cinematic, the score is excellent, and the crowd’s reactions are crucial.
Posted by Who_Dat_Tiger
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 10/23/26 at 8:43 am to
I had no intention of seeing this documentary being familiar with his style. I got a real kick out of the awkwardness of his Nathan for You show and some of those setups had me crying laughing. I just couldn’t see how he could make a serious documentary but the acclaim it’s received is proof it’s worth watching.

Seeing the lengths he went to in some of those NfY episodes though I guess it’s no surprise he could pull off anything he wanted to. Will go see it this weekend.
Posted by coolpapaboze
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Posted on 10/23/26 at 9:48 am to
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I didn’t like the Kirk comments but I came across liking her. She was basically unguarded the whole time and was great going in and out of playing Holmes. Also, pretty sure she was very drunk in at least two of the scenes.
I had the same reaction initially but as I thought about it more I couldn’t help wonder how real Seyfried really is here. She’s a professional actress, is she being real or is she acting? I want to think she’s being genuine but I’m just not sure.

And she put away a lot of rose’ and was definitely drunk at the house in Texas.
Posted by TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Posted on 10/23/26 at 11:35 am to
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I had the same reaction initially but as I thought about it more I couldn’t help wonder how real Seyfried really is here. She’s a professional actress, is she being real or is she acting? I want to think she’s being genuine but I’m just not sure.

I haven't watched it yet, but I will soon. As someone who thinks Andy Kaufman was a genius, I love hearing this.

(I'm not familiar with Nathan Fielder but I'm getting an idea from this thread.)
Posted by ILurkThereforeIAm
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Posted on 10/23/26 at 12:33 pm to
I watched it last night and it somewhat changed my opinion of her. Or, at the very least, it made me less certain that she knows what she did was wrong.

Billy is....something. He reminds me of a guy I knew from work who would talk around things. Like, instead of saying, "we can't afford that right now, can you lower your costs?" he would say something like, "I hear what you're saying and I respect the effort you put into your work, but at this moment we don't really have the financial bandwith to take that on, can we revisit the original intent of the agreement and like, restructure it so that it's more suitable for both parties?"

FFS, just say what you mean.

I think Billy was full of shite when he said he didn't immediately know who she was when they first met. I think he's a contrarian who likes attention and control. His ego is massive, hence the shower and workout scenes. I believe he loves her in whatever way he can love someone, but there's something very off about him.

As for "Liz," I originally thought she intentionally defrauded her Theranos investors and that it was all her idea. Now, though, maybe it was more Sonny than her and she blindly followed his lead without asking too many questions. It doesn't make her innocent, but it makes her less conniving. Watching the way she defers to Billy, if it's not an act, makes her appear much weaker and more easily influenced than what The Dropout portrayed.

I love Amanda Seyfried.

What a mind frick this whole thing was. I loved it.


Posted by coolpapaboze
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Posted on 10/23/26 at 5:20 pm to
The only hard conclusion I'm able to draw is that Holmes and Billy are both mentally ill.

Both have a really affected way of speaking, there's no economy of words with either. When Holmes speaks, she tends to speak in these grand, soaring terms, like she's still in the mode of answering interview questions when she was on a pedestal and focused on 'changing the world' and being the 'first self-made' female billionaire.
This post was edited on 10/23/26 at 5:26 pm
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 10/23/26 at 5:38 pm to
Just absolutely incredible.

There’s someone for everyone.

ETA waking up. Title alone nails it. You sure can see everything…but you won’t :)

Our crowd was mixed with mid kids who love Nathan and middle aged folks.

I cackled most of the time while others were in deep thought watching it. fricking Billy man just absolutely clinically insane. Honestly trying to humanize them with the kids and the most interaction is bouncing them on the bed

Had a weird feeling asking him about swimming early on and of course always the autism spectrum takes its place.


Wife thought it was long but couldn’t not watch it and she’s more about the Theranos girl and I’m more about Nathan but she made me watch everything.



The second half was great for me because the passion she has wanting to go after Billy
This post was edited on 10/24/26 at 7:51 am
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 10/24/26 at 11:19 pm to
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The only hard conclusion I'm able to draw is that Holmes and Billy are both mentally ill.


I think she’s pretty clearly on the spectrum to a significant degree. Something is definitely off with her mentally. I don’t think she’s some stone cold sociopath. Whatever issues she has i think contributed her to delusions of grandeur about Theranos and the viability of its product.

Billy is a complete sociopath. I was almost waiting for him to break character and admit he was playing a fictitious role, I kept thinking no way this guy is real.
This post was edited on 10/24/26 at 11:28 pm
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