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Posted on 11/4/26 at 2:22 pm to
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 11/4/26 at 2:22 pm to
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i'm having a hard time coming up with a scenario in which the most manipulative person ever could l also be genuine.



That she genuinely wants to create and have the tech that she claimed Theranos to have.
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 11/4/26 at 2:56 pm to
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That she genuinely wants to create and have the tech that she claimed Theranos to have.

i mean, sure....but that doesnt make her a genuine person. i can genuinely want to invent a time machine, but if i'm raking in millions of dollars under the guise of already having the technology, that doesnt make me a genuine person. that makes me a liar.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 11/4/26 at 3:02 pm to
the craziest thing about this doc is that in the middle I started thinking she was innocent and maybe taken advantage of.

thats how insane Holmes manipulation is
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 11/4/26 at 3:03 pm to
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he craziest thing about this doc is that in the middle I started thinking she was innocent and maybe taken advantage of.

thats how insane Holmes manipulation is


100% THIS. i went in KNOWING she was guilty and a huge liar and she STILL convinced me she was innocent. It wasn't until I went home and processed it that I realized she tricked me. And thats exactly how she tricked very competent people into giving her a lot of money without a working product.
This post was edited on 11/4/26 at 3:08 pm
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 11/4/26 at 3:10 pm to
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"i'm the most faithful husband ever except for that i have cheated on my wife a few times"


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i can genuinely want to invent a time machine, but if i'm raking in millions of dollars under the guise of already having the technology, that doesnt make me a genuine person. that makes me a liar.


Not every analogy works

She can genuinely want it to and try to create something that does work. That's a good thing. But then be completely misleading about it working to make a boatload of money, that's a bad thing. Both things can be true. I'm not saying the lying doesn't outweigh the positive, I've said it four times now, she should be in jail.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 11/4/26 at 3:11 pm to
She even got Fielder. He did not want to go swimming.

The end scene of him swimming in the ocean was a perfect microcosm of her manipulation.

what a movie.

Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 11/4/26 at 3:16 pm to
my analogies are the best analogies bro
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 11/4/26 at 3:17 pm to
I'm a fan.
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 11/4/26 at 3:18 pm to
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She can genuinely want it to and try to create something that does work. That's a good thing. But then be completely misleading about it working to make a boatload of money, that's a bad thing. Both things can be true. I'm not saying the lying doesn't outweigh the positive, I've said it four times now, she should be in jail.

i'm with you. i jsut think when you say someone is a "genuine" person, the inference is that they live their lives in a genuine, honest, and honorable way. not just that they do genuine things from time to time. semantics.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 11/4/26 at 3:34 pm to
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She can genuinely want it to and try to create something that does work. That's a good thing. But then be completely misleading about it working to make a boatload of money, that's a bad thing.


I do think she genuinely belived in her invention and clearly still does since she is trying to restart the company with Billy. But I also think she loves the thrill of the sale during fund raising more than anything. At one point in the movie they have a sales call for Theranos 2.0 and she has a legit high after the call. Chasing that high is what I think got her into trouble. its like a drug, she couldn't stop. She would say whatever she had to say to get the next high and she is incredible at lying and manipulating.
This post was edited on 11/4/26 at 3:36 pm
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 11/4/26 at 3:40 pm to
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I do think she genuinely belived in her invention and clearly still does

yeah, but there is zero factual, scientific, or technological basis for this belief. it's meaningless and borders on delusion. there was and is literally nothing there.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 11/4/26 at 4:20 pm to
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yeah, but there is zero factual, scientific, or technological basis for this belief. it's meaningless and borders on delusion. there was and is literally nothing there.


I don’t think that’s true. They could perform about a dozen tests with the device. The issue is the lead people to believe that the could perform hundreds of tests.
Posted by coolpapaboze
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Posted on 11/5/26 at 7:56 am to
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she loves the thrill of the sale during fund raising more than anything.
And she loves being put on a pedestal and hailed as the first self-made female billionaire, visionary, etc. I think this is what drives her, not some altruistic motive to improve the world or whatever. She is a narcissistic sociopath.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 11/6/26 at 11:17 am to
I watched last night...Billy and Elizabeth are so fricked up they made Nathan Fielder seem like normal.

I was surprised they made him break...the deadpan was gone....he couldnt hide his confusion and disbelief.
Posted by evil cockroach
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Posted on 11/10/26 at 5:25 pm to
Saw it. Liked it. Very “cerebral”. EH is a nut job. I still believe after seeing it that she’s a pathological liar.

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So many laugh out loud moments
this. “ Have you ever lied to anyone ever about anything ?” EH: “no”

Also, there’s a full frontal dong shot (in the shower) for some reason of the boyfriend/father. I personally think he did that to try to lure in the next girl he needs to hook up with because of the no conjugal visits at the federal prison.

Overall , really enjoyed the documentary/docudrama
Posted by evil cockroach
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Posted on 11/10/26 at 5:34 pm to
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purposeful inclusion of showing how the New York Times article isn’t trustworthy
can you tell me more about this, because the Holmes Camp didn’t have any recordings to prove what she said or didn’t say. To me, the NYT came off looking good standing by their reporter when the Holmes Camp just could only deliver empty threats
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 11/10/26 at 5:37 pm to
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don’t think that’s true. They could perform about a dozen tests with the device. The issue is the lead people to believe that the could perform hundreds of tests.



I think you are overestimating the number of tests they had actually validated

They were doing things like taking the very small samples and diluting them to run in the laboratory machines other companies had developed
Posted by wareaglepete
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Posted on 11/11/26 at 11:11 am to
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I was surprised they made him break...the deadpan was gone....he couldnt hide his confusion and disbelief.


I think that was the best part of this film. In a normal documentary, people would say what they say and it would just go on or the filmmaker would just deadpan ask another question.

Billy and Elizabeth would just say some crazy shite and Nathan couldn't help himself and would just blurt out what every one of us was thinking. What? Are you freaking kidding me? You can't believe that?! Our whole theatre was laughing during those scenes.
Posted by wareaglepete
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Posted on 11/11/26 at 11:14 am to
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because of the no conjugal visits at the federal prison.


I had to laugh when he said, no I haven't had sex in blah blah blah days.
Whatever. We all know that's bullshite.
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