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re: Why doesn't Hollywood make 80s style campy action movies anymore?
Posted on 10/6/20 at 1:12 pm to Arksulli
Posted on 10/6/20 at 1:12 pm to Arksulli
Netflix had big hits this year with Extraction and 6 Underground. Both of those only had one big star and I think Extraction had more of a medium sized budget. 6 Underground had a big name director in Michael Bay and a decent sized budget but its not on the level of Endgame or something like that.
The straight to video stuff is mostly low budget and washed up stars like Bruce Willis or B level stars. There's still good movies in that field though.
The straight to video stuff is mostly low budget and washed up stars like Bruce Willis or B level stars. There's still good movies in that field though.
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Posted on 10/6/20 at 1:18 pm to Goonie02
From 1980 to 1992 America was run by republicans and the media of the time reflected that. There’s a reason America and patriotism was rampant back then. Also why they shun it now.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 1:19 pm to Goonie02
does John Wick not fit this criteria?
Posted on 10/6/20 at 1:23 pm to Goonie02
The second captain America and the third thor movie are the two best in the whole series 
The second avengers movie also makes a lot less sense if you haven’t seen most of the movies before it (it’s still not that great, tbh). Infinity and Endgame were both excellent, as were the Guardians movies, which have that campy action/comedy feel down pat. Black Panther is solid as well with an excellent villain, but the third act is kinda forgettable with atrocious CGI.
You having only seen a small snippet of the film franchise and saying they all are the same would be akin to me having a bad plate of lo-mein at an airport panda express at 9:00pm during a layover and assuming that all Chinese food is terrible like that.
The second avengers movie also makes a lot less sense if you haven’t seen most of the movies before it (it’s still not that great, tbh). Infinity and Endgame were both excellent, as were the Guardians movies, which have that campy action/comedy feel down pat. Black Panther is solid as well with an excellent villain, but the third act is kinda forgettable with atrocious CGI.
You having only seen a small snippet of the film franchise and saying they all are the same would be akin to me having a bad plate of lo-mein at an airport panda express at 9:00pm during a layover and assuming that all Chinese food is terrible like that.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 10/6/20 at 4:49 pm to Hot Carl
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I’ve been waiting for “Big Trouble in Little China 2: Burton’s Boogaloo” for almost 35 years now
Whatever happened to the remake they were supposed to do with the Rock?
Posted on 10/6/20 at 4:55 pm to kingbob
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What I see is a major shift in allocated resources around the same time that streaming started becoming a popular option for watching movies and as video gaming increased as a percent share of the American entertainment gdp pie. Starting around 2008, the diversity of kinds of movies being made and marketed for wide release dwindled. First to go were the sweeping swashbuckling historical epics, then the goofy comedies, then the shoot ‘em up action movies, and the rom coms. By 2019, there were only about 6 kinds of movies left in theaters: 1. Low budget horror, 2. Woke Oscar bait, 3. High budget adaptation, sequel, or remake to an existing comic book scify or fantasy franchise, 4. Lowish budget comedy with a mostly black cast, 5. CGI adventure movie starring The Rock, 6. Animated kids movie, probably by Pixar or Dreamworks.
Studios figured out that some things almost always sell at least a little bit, and people only want to go to the theaters for spectacle or to pacify their kids for 90 minutes. Otherwise, people would rather stream it. So, they save all their money and bankable stars for the tent poles and unload the rest of the schlock on Netflix with poor production value and unknown actors.
Probably fair to an extent.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 5:15 pm to Goonie02
They do......it's all these ridiculous movies with women as "badasses". Look up these gems: Rogue and 355 as examples.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 5:40 pm to Goonie02
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All Marvel movies are the same.
Someone hasn't seen many Marvel movies
Posted on 10/6/20 at 5:42 pm to Goonie02
Dude you just admitted to not seeing over half of the MCU films but you're still sticking by that statement
Posted on 10/6/20 at 5:44 pm to Freauxzen
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Our culture now generally sucks.
That and we have decided that heroes, good heroes who do the right thing because it's the right thing, are uninteresting. And that morally gray heroes are superior, more complex, etc. I've gone from finding this annoying, to finding it emblematic of a decaying culture
This shite goes in cycles, man. Don't be chicken little.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 6:28 pm to kingbob
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This post was edited on 8/22/21 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 10/6/20 at 6:30 pm to WaltTeevens
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This shite goes in cycles, man. Don't be chicken little.
I actually disagree, the valuing of the morally gray or the "conflicted hero," is a fairly modern development. We did have that....sometimes, when it was meaningful and impactful. But largely, heroes were heroes. And the main thrust of culture used to be good people doing good things, because they are good. That's an oversimplification, but it's the truth.
We don't want to value that, or we want to say that "being good" isn't that easy, and even if it is easy, it's uncomplicated and not interesting. The other side of this the explosion, literally, of the "complicated" villain as well. The reduction of evil for obvious evil's sake in most culturally central films, and more of a "well, being bad isn't necessarily bad. It's also complicated."
This is all wrapped up in a general turn towards the rejection of objective truth, etc.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:13 pm to Goonie02
Thor Ragnorak
Guardians Of The Galaxy
Deadpool
Jumanji
21 Jump Street
Nice Guys/The Other Guys
Zombieland
Ghostbusters
Guardians Of The Galaxy
Deadpool
Jumanji
21 Jump Street
Nice Guys/The Other Guys
Zombieland
Ghostbusters
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:18 pm to Goonie02
Liam Neeson doesn’t understand this thread.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:20 pm to Goonie02
Because of the PC bullshite dominating pop culture for the last 30+ years.
That type of masculinity won't fly with the perpetually offended.
That type of masculinity won't fly with the perpetually offended.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:31 pm to Freauxzen
It’s a modern development, but modernism is over a 100 years old and predates the cinema. What’s more, an ahistorical position is to think 2020 is its most radical incarnation - although, as mentioned, the 80s/90s were a particularly conservative time in American cinema and considering most people on this board have grown up with these movies, it’s understandable why they would feel that way.
Film noir, with its Hollywood roots in European emigres influenced by such artistic movements as surrealism and expressionism, who were interested in such modern ideas as psychoanalysis and existentialism (hello grey area!), was criticized in the 40s for fatalistic narratives, cynicism, its criminals as heroes, and even its games with form - flashbacks, expressionistic lighting, etc. As the tide turned many of these filmmakers, some disillusioned Roosevelt socialists, were blacklisted as commies - Dassin, Losey, Dmytryk. Even the merely left-leaning Welles’ Hollywood career was ended over his FBI file.
The demise of the production code, Vietnam, and the democratization of filmmaking equipment (the advent of Second Cinema) saw the late 60s/70s as another relatively progressive period of cinema, both thematically and formally. Then Rocky and Jaws happened and the blockbuster was born during a conservative shift in American politics.
As has been alluded to in this thread, the real change is the disappearance of the middle budgeted films for adults. There is an empty gulf between the low budgeted indies and the handful of studio tent poles each year - precisely the zone Hollywood used to excel at.
Film noir, with its Hollywood roots in European emigres influenced by such artistic movements as surrealism and expressionism, who were interested in such modern ideas as psychoanalysis and existentialism (hello grey area!), was criticized in the 40s for fatalistic narratives, cynicism, its criminals as heroes, and even its games with form - flashbacks, expressionistic lighting, etc. As the tide turned many of these filmmakers, some disillusioned Roosevelt socialists, were blacklisted as commies - Dassin, Losey, Dmytryk. Even the merely left-leaning Welles’ Hollywood career was ended over his FBI file.
The demise of the production code, Vietnam, and the democratization of filmmaking equipment (the advent of Second Cinema) saw the late 60s/70s as another relatively progressive period of cinema, both thematically and formally. Then Rocky and Jaws happened and the blockbuster was born during a conservative shift in American politics.
As has been alluded to in this thread, the real change is the disappearance of the middle budgeted films for adults. There is an empty gulf between the low budgeted indies and the handful of studio tent poles each year - precisely the zone Hollywood used to excel at.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:37 pm to DaleGribble
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Because of the PC bull shite dominating pop culture for the last 30+ years.
That type of masculinity won't fly with the perpetually offended
Instead of addressing how dumb this post is, I'll just say that you're basically yelling at Bruce Willis and Die Hard.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:53 pm to Goonie02
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all in all they are all similar movies that are produced in a factory.
Hmm... Movies that are small interconnected stories making up one massive overall story have similarities. Imagine that.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:28 pm to smokeswithwolves
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the real change is the disappearance of the middle budgeted films for adults
Se7en and Fight Club would be straight-to-Netflix movies if made today. They would have b-list actors and an unknown director.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:54 pm to Jay Are
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Instead of addressing how dumb this post is, I'll just say that you're basically yelling at Bruce Willis and Die Hard.
What are you talking about? Die Hard was made over 30 years ago...which was my point.
Movies like that can't be made today. Masculine behavior is heavily frowned upon...even by a large segment of fans that go to comic book movies.
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