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re: Who would win these hypothetical Game of Thrones matchups?
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:49 am to biglego
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:49 am to biglego
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Non-book readers like me have no reason to believe Robert or Jaime are particularly good fighters.
Robert beat Rhaegar fricking Targaryan in single combat at the Trident
Rober was an utter, utter badasss
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Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:52 am to OMLandshark
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Robert was a good enough warrior to modify his strategy and did use swords and knives
Link?
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:53 am to OMLandshark
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I don't see any real way Drogo beats Robert unless he gets really lucky or Robert is blackout drunk.
given weapons, it's almost impossible for Drogo to beat Robert (or any knight worth a shite)
the Dothraki hoarde is like the Roman army: a machine. one-on-one, they lose their status greatly
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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Non-book readers like me have no reason to believe Robert or Jaime are particularly good fighters.
Robert beat Rhaegar fricking Targaryan in single combat at the Trident
Non-book readers don't know who Rhaegar was.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:58 am to Volvagia
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Link?
Robert was going to participate in a melee, but that one balled no brains Lancel Lannister failed to get his king the breastplate stretcher.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 12:00 pm to CaptSpaulding
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Clearly this is turning into book readers vs non book readers.
This needs to be addressed.
Book Brienne beat Loras in a tourney melee and a Kingslayer that is chained at the wrists and malnourished from captivity. She never fights the Hound in the books.
Book Robert is a 6'6" monster of a man when he was in his prime. Yes he beat Raeghar at the Trident, but was Raeghar all that? Raeghar beat The Sword of the Morning at the tourney at Harrenhal, but that was in the joust not the melee.
A lot of folks in this thread seem to be picking and choosing whatever makes their choice seem better based on the books or the show.
This post was edited on 8/5/18 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 8/5/18 at 12:01 pm to shinerfan
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Non-book readers don't know who Rhaegar was.
you didn't say comatose Khal Drogos, bub
Posted on 8/5/18 at 12:16 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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A lot of folks in this thread seem to be picking and choosing whatever makes their choice seem better based on the books or the show.
The other half is completely ignoring the armor or see it as a defect for Robert. The reason a lot of people were pissed off at Barristan's death is he should have rocked these teenager's world. Pretty much no unarmored opponent could take down Barristan even in old age. Robert is on or near that level in his prime. I just don't see a viable way Drogo kills Robert.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 12:27 pm to OMLandshark
i mean the show fricking had an explicit example-scene of how badly armor fricks with the Dothraki
Posted on 8/5/18 at 12:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
Viper vs Mountain
Bronn vs Ser Vardis
Armor has advantages and disadvantages. That's been laid out pretty well in the books and show.
Bronn vs Ser Vardis
Armor has advantages and disadvantages. That's been laid out pretty well in the books and show.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 12:37 pm to shinerfan
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Viper vs Mountain
The Mountain isn't a good fighter though. He's cripplingly reliant on his armor. Robert wasn't.
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Bronn vs Ser Vardis
Vardis puts honor over reason. Bronn and Robert do not. Like him refusing to duel the Mountain, I feel pretty certain Bronn would not duel Robert in his prime.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 12:43 pm to OMLandshark
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I feel pretty certain Bronn would not duel Robert in his prime.
Brown's a better character but as a fighter I'd rank Drogo quite a bit higher than Bronn.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 12:56 pm to weagle99
quote:This is tougher than people make it to be.
Robert Baratheon vs Khal Drogo
Yes, Drogo doesn't wear armor, but also- let's remember he died from infection after a scratch, and refused to treat it. As I recalled, he didn't have scars... meaning he hadn't even been touched before then. And that's facing various Dothraki who also employ speed at the expense of armor.
I'd say he has a higher % of hits, and he's big enough that he might overcome the armor on one of them. He might be mortally wounded, but I could see him as the last guy standing at the time.
quote:Gonna go with Oberyn, despite Brienne's resume. Oberyn died because he strutted too early vs the Mountain- but he was strutting the whole time, and putting on a clinic at the same time. If the intent was to kill and not to extract a confession, he takes the Mountain out in seconds.
Prince Oberyn vs Brienne of Tarth
If he approaches Brienne with intent to kill, I think he takes her.
quote:Gonna go with Tarly in both scenarios, and probably with a disapproving look on his face while he does so.
Roose Bolton vs Randyll Tarly (commanding an army or fighting each other)
quote:Bronn, in a mismatch.
Bronn vs Jon Snow
quote:What about Oberyn in serious mode, vs Bronn?
Feel free to add others
Posted on 8/5/18 at 8:32 pm to weagle99
Strong Belwas vs. Any of the already mentioned contestants
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Robert beat Rhaegar fricking Targaryan in single combat at the Trident
I'd take book Robert over drogo but there's nothing to suggest that this is some great claim.
Rhaegar could obviously joust, but he liked books and music more than he did fighting. There's no mention of him being a great fighter.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:36 pm to vodkacop
quote:Bronn has light armor, enough to withstand a close-quarter low power blow or slash.
Then you missed the Bronn fight in the eyrie
Anyway, that's not the matchup. Robert is fighting a dude in his underwear. Robert wins.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:30 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:is too!
I'd just like to mention again that everybody in this thread is wrong by picking Oberyn over Brienne. There's really no legit reasoning to justify picking Oberyn. Thank you
He has superior reach and is much faster than she is. He's a master of that spear, and The Mountain is more Brienne than Brienne could ever be.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:33 pm to blueboy
Armor does have it's disadvantages, too. This isn't the latest in light carbon fiber and kevlar, we're talking steel plating and chain. That shite is heavy, and slows your movements down considerably. And anywhere it articulates, there's a potential weak point.
Now, most attacks will glance off, sure. But Drogo isn't most attackers, he's a big-arse dude himself. And if he's unarmored, he's going to be much quicker (assuming the two are about equal in physical ability, which they apparently seem to be).
Go look back at history and not just fiction, and you find out these armored knights need assistance in getting back up off the ground, etc. You face a big and quick enough man (like Jason Mamoa), and he'll push you right over... and then it's done.
So I'd say Robert would have to fight with minimal armor for his best chance, go skill vs skill.
Now, most attacks will glance off, sure. But Drogo isn't most attackers, he's a big-arse dude himself. And if he's unarmored, he's going to be much quicker (assuming the two are about equal in physical ability, which they apparently seem to be).
Go look back at history and not just fiction, and you find out these armored knights need assistance in getting back up off the ground, etc. You face a big and quick enough man (like Jason Mamoa), and he'll push you right over... and then it's done.
So I'd say Robert would have to fight with minimal armor for his best chance, go skill vs skill.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:39 pm to AshLSU
quote:Yeah, no. You lose again.
But he still lives to fight again and eventually he would get lucky and win.
Know who agrees with me? Beric, who let The Hound go after LOSING THE FIGHT TO THE DEATH.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 12:00 am to Scoob
quote:I have. The cavalry knights carried that much weight, but infantry wore lighter armor and could move a lot more quickly than you seem to realize.
Go look back at history and not just fiction, and you find out these armored knights need assistance in getting back up off the ground
And Robert is not a small guy. There wouldn't be a lot of dancing around. The hammer would power through the arakh and Drogo would be toast.
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