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re: Who wins in a fight? Captain America or Batman?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:36 am to Tactical1
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:36 am to Tactical1
The Crossover Classic, DC vs Marvel had a match up between Cap and Bats about 20 years ago. The battle
was very slow with each respecting the other's counter moves. Eventually a just became a non physical face off until Batman says "Look, we can do this all night, and you may eventually win. But I'm not the enemy and by that time, the real person behind this mess will be long gone. So why don;t we join forces and solve this riddle,"
And they did, in the Bat Cave.
Based on that statement approved by DC...And the SUPER SOLDIER SERUM...Captain America.
was very slow with each respecting the other's counter moves. Eventually a just became a non physical face off until Batman says "Look, we can do this all night, and you may eventually win. But I'm not the enemy and by that time, the real person behind this mess will be long gone. So why don;t we join forces and solve this riddle,"
And they did, in the Bat Cave.
Based on that statement approved by DC...And the SUPER SOLDIER SERUM...Captain America.
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:41 am to Rougarou4lsu
CA is physically way superior to batman. Batman is smarter and all that, but we're talking about a fistfight not quiz bowl. And its not like CA is dumb.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:41 am to Muahahaha
Cap.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:44 am to BlacknGold
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this isnt a gladiator fight like the other thread. those circumstances never happen. this is a "real world" comic book encounter.
This doesn't change anything. I don't know why it would?
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do you think Batman would allow himself to be drawn into a fight where he doesnt have the upper hand?
And Cap would?
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Cap gives orders as well as takes them.
What does this mean? Again, Cap is relegated to "taking orders," "sir yes sir," without regards to the fact that he has perhaps the most experience and is most respected for LEADING battles.
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As I said Batman fights dirtier than Cap.
See above.
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Bats would make sure he has every tactical advantage before engaging with a super soldier. This aint the arena. It would be a cold, dark street fight. I pick the Knight.
Again, see above. One of Marvel's best fighters says that Captain America INSTINCTIVELY responds to any changing fight conditions. He doesn't need detective skills, he does it naturally.
Also, in terms of Batman's gadgets:
Beast: "Commander Rogers is a Super Soldier that can Master any weapon in seconds." Ok Batman tosses Batarangs....Cap can throw them right back, and probably more accurately than Batman.
So let's see:
Every single physical advantage: Cap > Batman
Fighting: Cap > Batman
Ability to use weapons: Cap > Batman
Oh wait I'm sorry, it's dark outside, Batman wins right?
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 8:52 am
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:50 am to Freauxzen
In these threads Batman is always invincible based on some superhuman intelligence that allows him to plan a complete victory over any opponent. Is that how he is in comics? Never loses a fight bc he's scouted everything out? I'll say this- CA wouldn't have gotten his arse kicked and back broken by Bane.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:27 am to Muahahaha
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Who wins in a fight? Captain America or Batman?
I'll go with the genetically engineered super soldier over a bored billionaire who likes the gym.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:37 am to biglego
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In these threads Batman is always invincible based on some common knowledge that Superman's weakness is kryptonite.
FIFY
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:40 am to Scrowe
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In these threads Batman is always invincible based on some common knowledge that Superman's weakness is kryptonite.
FIFY
Exactly.
Batman has taken down some exceptional foes over time, that much is true. The problem is that Captain America is a very problematic matchup for Batman, more so than giant villains with serious psychological problems or glaring, easy to exploit weaknesses. Cap isn't emotionally unstable, he's not extremely weak against a particular substance, he isn't going to underestimate Batman, and he isn't focused on a bigger plan. He's a soldier, a fighter, who won't put himself at a strategic disadvantage. Throw in the idea that Cap is just better at everything the two share in common and without some glaring "power" differential (if one or the other could melt human skin or travel the speed of light, etc.), this would probably be a close quarters fight.
Look at the Batman supporters, no evidence, just:
It's dark
Batarangs
Batman Fights Dirty
Batman would avoid the fight for weeks so he can study Captain America
Etc. Nothing really concrete.
"BUT BECAUSE Captain America is a highly strategic fighter and has a TACTICAL mind, Batman would win because.... Batman!"
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 9:47 am
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:51 am to Finkle is Einhorn
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Do what? Captain America is the biggest puss of all the super heroes. Not even close
You really don't know what you're talking about here.
Back in the 80's there was a great mini-series called Secret Wars, it's some great comic book writing.
Short version: Omnipotent being creates a new world, populates it with a bunch of heroes and villains, and tells them that the winners will get ultimate power.
The heroes, including the X-Men, the Avengers, and others, are trying to figure out who should lead their team. This little exchange settles it:
Cap is one of those guys who will win because he has "the want" more than anyone else. Bats has his hatred of villains and his vigilante crusade, but Cap's motivations go even deeper than that.
I like Bats, but Cap wins this one, but not by much.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:04 am to TygerTyger
So...you're saying CA is Tebow.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:05 am to Muahahaha
Why would they fight?
Both have similar views on just about everything.
Both have similar views on just about everything.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:13 am to TygerTyger
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Cap is one of those guys who will win because he has "the want" more than anyone else. Bats has his hatred of villains and his vigilante crusade, but Cap's motivations go even deeper than that.
Yeah the Beta comments are ridiculous in one of the Marvel-DC teamups, Superman basically does the same thing. Everyone follow Cap. He's maybe the most Alpha hero, it's just his brand doesn't play well in our modern culture.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:24 am to Muahahaha
Who sells more comics? Batman
Who has more published material? Batman
Who's trying to point out "plot device" when Mavel kills off their characters at the beginning of a issue only to bring them 28 pages later at the end as a ghost? Oh did I mention the only reason why a relic from WWII is alive in the present is because he was frozen alive? But yeah, DC is the one with plot devices.
Sorry for the long pause, I just got back from Charles Xavier's like millionth funeral. Then on the way back I stopped off at the hospital and cut his umbilical cord on the brand new baby body he sent his mind to. You think he would have possessed Wolverine and let him cut it.
Hey look Peter Parker is resurrected, and Amazing Spider-man just got relaunched! Turns out Peter had amnesia the whole time.
Who has more published material? Batman
Who's trying to point out "plot device" when Mavel kills off their characters at the beginning of a issue only to bring them 28 pages later at the end as a ghost? Oh did I mention the only reason why a relic from WWII is alive in the present is because he was frozen alive? But yeah, DC is the one with plot devices.
Sorry for the long pause, I just got back from Charles Xavier's like millionth funeral. Then on the way back I stopped off at the hospital and cut his umbilical cord on the brand new baby body he sent his mind to. You think he would have possessed Wolverine and let him cut it.
Hey look Peter Parker is resurrected, and Amazing Spider-man just got relaunched! Turns out Peter had amnesia the whole time.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:30 am to Freauxzen
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Batman would avoid the fight for weeks so he can study Captain America
Chances are Batman would have already had an eye on Cap with a large dossier on everything Cap. Then when it's time for battle Cap would stand there waiting, and Batman would ambush him.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:32 am to Freauxzen
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Superman basically does the same thing
Except Cap jumps in front of danger to protect everyone without the whole invulnerability thing. Yet everyone loves Superman's character but Cap is too much of a boyscout.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:35 am to thatguy1892
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Who sells more comics? Batman
Who has more published material? Batman
And....?
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Who's trying to point out "plot device" when Mavel kills off their characters at the beginning of a issue only to bring them 28 pages later at the end as a ghost? Oh did I mention the only reason why a relic from WWII is alive in the present is because he was frozen alive? But yeah, DC is the one with plot devices.
Sorry for the long pause, I just got back from Charles Xavier's like millionth funeral. Then on the way back I stopped off at the hospital and cut his umbilical cord on the brand new baby body he sent his mind to. You think he would have possessed Wolverine and let him cut it.
Hey look Peter Parker is resurrected, and Amazing Spider-man just got relaunched! Turns out Peter had amnesia the whole time.
You're missing the point. No one says Marvel is devoid of plot device moments. Both properties are equally guilty in terms of bringing characters back, killing them, coming with convenient excuses to do ridiculous things.
The point is that Batman should have never and could never beat Superman. It just isn't logical. Wonder Woman? Sure. Flash? Maybe. Batman, no. Never. The power gap is too big, even eith the kryptonite weakness. That moment kind of relegated Batman to a tool for writer's to come up with whatever reason they wanted for Batman to prevail, because: Batman. It basically invalidated any further Batman wins against odds because you can't really trust them.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:43 am to Freauxzen
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That moment kind of relegated Batman to a tool for writer's to come up with whatever reason they wanted for Batman to prevail, because: Batman.
Kinda like Tony Stark and his MK 192749863012856986234591634956
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:50 am to thatguy1892
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Chances are Batman would have already had an eye on Cap with a large dossier on everything Cap.
Batman
Fighting Skill: 8
Strength: 3
Intelligence: 8
Speed: 3
Dossier Making: 11
Dossier Making is clearly the most important skill in all of comic-dom.
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Then when it's time for battle Cap would stand there waiting, and Batman would ambush him.
Yeah ok.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 10:57 am
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:52 am to Scrowe
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Superman basically does the same thing
Except Cap jumps in front of danger to protect everyone without the whole invulnerability thing. Yet everyone loves Superman's character but Cap is too much of a boyscout.
Oh I didn't mean that.
"Superman basically does the same thing..." as when Marvel-DC team up to take out an intradimensional and intra-property threat, Superman tells everyone to follow Captain America. Like Thor told everyone to follow Captain America, so does Superman.
Two of the most celebrated heroes, a god and demi-god essentially, have told EVERYONE else to follow Captain America.
Totally beta.
I see you're point, though. Just explaining further what I mean.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 10:57 am
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:59 am to thatguy1892
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That moment kind of relegated Batman to a tool for writer's to come up with whatever reason they wanted for Batman to prevail, because: Batman.
Kinda like Tony Stark and his MK 192749863012856986234591634956
And...? Again, Marvel is equally ridiculous as a whole. But Batman is on another level by himself, even within DC.
I don't think Iron Man has ever beaten anyone with the disparity of Batman-Superman. So there's that. Even with Extremis, Mark-Eleventy Billion.
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