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Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:19 am to
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:19 am to
ETA: went and searched. It was, but very lightly. Maybe 3 or 4 posts.

Considering his confession and DNA match, I’m just surprised at his role not playing a bit more.

The whole thing is just a black eye on everybody involved.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 11:21 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:23 am to
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ETA: went and searched. It was, but very lightly. Maybe 3 or 4 posts.

Considering his confession and DNA match, I’m just surprised at his role not playing a bit more.

The whole thing is just a black eye on everybody involved.


I think it isn't mentioned more because the word of a convicted serial rapist doesn't really account for much.

ETA: To me, the biggest black eye is to the prosecutor who asked to set aside the convictions and de Blasio who settled the lawsuit 10 years after it was filed. I truly thought these guys were wronged until I started looking into it. I think anyone who does the same would come to the same conclusion.
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Posted by REG861
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:24 am to
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I think it isn't mentioned more because the word of a convicted serial rapist doesn't really account for much.




you're really doing your best to try and act like DNA isn't a thing
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:24 am to
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I think it isn't mentioned more because the word of a convicted serial rapist doesn't really account for much


It got 5 kids out of jail and $41mm
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:25 am to
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you're really doing your best to try and act like DNA isn't a thing


I have specifically addressed the DNA multiple times.
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:25 am to
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It got 5 kids out of jail


This is not true. They had already served their sentences. He confessed after the statute of limitations on the crime had already expired. Also, they did not "win" the $41M. They were given that by de Blasio. The City of New York clearly would have won that lawsuit. That fool gave them that money and they're STILL suing. He's a moron.
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Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:26 am to
I haven’t watched the series but didn’t he confess after meeting one of them IN jail?
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:27 am to
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I haven’t watched the series but didn’t he confess after meeting one of them IN jail?


That's the story. He was in a jail with one of them at one point, but no one can corroborate that they ever interacted with each other. Regardless, the 5 were all out of jail by the time the convictions were set aside.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 11:33 am
Posted by stateofplay
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:40 am to
For anyone that is interested here is a link to the Ken Burns doc on the Central Park 5..well at least the trailer..

you'll have to find another way to watch the full thing or search on PBS

LINK

Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:51 pm to
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Why don't you go look up the racial breakdowns of the juries in these cases and tell me more about this "brown scare" you speak of.

I swear. It's like facts are completely unnecessary.


Old black and Hispanic people were just as afraid of black/Hispanic youth as anyone else at the time.
Posted by oogabooga68
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:18 pm to
You told the absolute 100% truth and these cucks downvoted you.....

Tells you all you need to know .....
Posted by Norbert
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:57 pm to
Will not watch - because I have no expectation that the story will be told impartially, and I also assume they will use the narrative to push further baseless systemic racism accusations against police in present day America, despite any real statistical evidence of it.


Posted by Sao
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:31 pm to

The narrative of Thin Blue Lyin'. That's the story, Bub. Grow a pair and just try to fathom that it happens.
Posted by Norbert
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:33 pm to
I live in a more progressive area of the country, and it amazes me how quickly bleeding heart libs are convinced by one-sided documentaries or TV shows that these kids were simply in Central Park that night praying and playing marbles or some shite.

And I'm not necessarily JUST picking on these sorts of sheep. The right has its own sheep. In this case, however, anyone with a hint of healthy skepticism in their body realizes that 2020 and Netflix and these police brutality white privilege narrative pushers aren't telling the entire story.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:38 pm to
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They are guilty. The evidence overwhelmingly favors them having attacked the jogger, and they even confessed to it (multiple times, sometimes on camera and sometimes with their parents present). One guy even admitted to a fried that he held down her arms while another one raped her, and that friend only gave that information to the police because she thought it would help him. These guys had already assaulted people in Central Park in the past, were specifically in the park to assault and rob people that night, and did so to the jogger. It's hard for me to even say they were wrongly convicted of rape, because it is highly unlikely that she would have been raped if they had not beaten her and left her in that position.

Maybe they should not have been convicted of rape by law, I don't know that, but they definitely weren't innocent and never should have been given $40M.




The Central Park jogger case was a criminal case that involved the assault and rape of Trisha Meili, a white female jogger, and attacks on others in the North Woods of Manhattan's Central Park on the night of April 19, 1989. The attack on the jogger left her in a coma for 12 days. Meili was a 28-year-old investment banker at the time. According to The New York Times, the attack was "one of the most widely publicized crimes of the 1980s".[1]

On the night of the attack, five teenagers African American and one Hispanic—were apprehended in connection with a number of attacks in Central Park committed by around 30 teenage perpetrators. The children were tried variously for assault, robbery, riot, rape, sexual abuse, and attempted murder relating to Meili's and other attacks in the park, based solely on confessions that were coerced and false. Before the trial, the FBI tested the DNA of the rape kit and found it did not match any of the tested suspects. The office of District Attorney Robert Morgenthau presented these findings to the press as "inconclusive".[2] They were convicted in 1990 by juries in two separate trials. Subsequently, known as the Central Park Five, they received sentences ranging from 5 to 15 years. Four of the convictions were appealed and the convictions were affirmed by appellate courts. The defendants spent between 6 and 13 years in prison.

In 2002, Matias Reyes, a convicted murderer and serial rapist in prison, confessed to raping the jogger. DNA evidence confirmed his guilt, and he knew facts about the crime that only the offender could have known. He also said he committed the rape alone.[3] At the time of his confession, Reyes was already serving a life sentence. He was not prosecuted for raping Meili, because the statute of limitations had passed by the time he confessed. Morgenthau suggested to the court that the five men's convictions related to the assault and rape of Meili and to attacks on others to which they had confessed be vacated (a legal position in which the parties are treated as though no trial has taken place) and withdrew the charges. Their convictions were vacated in 2002.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:38 pm to
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Your ignorance and Alabama is showing.



We don't claim this moron.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:40 pm to
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Yes. That is true. Even if we say they weren't guilty of rape, and I'm not sure that we can say that considering they definitely were involved, the most time any of them spent in prison was 13 years. I feel like that's fair given the fact that they definitely had a hand in almost killing a woman (she lost 80% of the blood in her body).


Go back to the poliboard where parroting radio talkshow hosts gets you a pat on the back. Here you're just going to get called out for being a dumbass.
Posted by Norbert
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:41 pm to
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just try to fathom that it happens


Lolz. As if it's difficult to imagine flawed people in a position of power, such as police, misusing that power to satisfy their own internal biases, as well as to benefit professionally.

What seems to be difficult for many in this thread is critical thinking outside of what is being spoon-fed from people with an agenda.

Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:48 pm to
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I haven’t watched the series but didn’t he confess after meeting one of them IN jail?


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In 2001, convicted serial rapist and murderer Matias Reyes was already serving a life sentence for other crimes, but he was not at that point a suspect in the Central Park attack on Meili. At that time, Reyes met Wise in an upstate New York prison, the Auburn Correctional Facility.[39][51] In 2002, Reyes said that on the night of April 19, 1989, he had assaulted and raped the jogger, when he was 17 years old. He said that he had acted alone.[52][53] At the time of the attack, he was working at an East Harlem convenience store on Third Avenue and 102nd Street, and living in a van on the street.[53][54] He provided a detailed account of the attack, details of which were corroborated by other evidence.[5] The DNA evidence confirmed his participation in the rape, identifying him as the sole contributor of the semen found in and on the victim "to a factor of one in 6,000,000,000 people".[5] DNA analysis of the strands of hair found in Richardson's underpants established that the hair did not belong to the victim.[55] The victim had been tied up with her T-shirt in a distinctive fashion that Reyes used again on later victims.[5]

Reyes was not prosecuted because the statute of limitations had passed.[39][56] Reyes had been convicted of raping four other women and killing one of them.[39]



Not only that, but they went on an elaborate heist to get Reyes' DNA in place of theirs in the kit, and stole a time machine to ensure that their method of tying up the victim matched something Reyes was already doing.

I think they're coming out with a sequel called "Central Park: Endgame" where they steal the TARDIS to make those changes. David Tennant has already signed on.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:52 pm to
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however, anyone with a hint of healthy skepticism in their body realizes that 2020 and Netflix and these police brutality white privilege narrative pushers aren't telling the entire story.





this is my main issue with it.

i don't want anybody male, female, white, black, hispanic, gay, or straight to be prosecuted and jailed for a crime they did not commit. i don't want any of those people killed for resisting arrest. false imprisonment and police shootings break my heart.

that being said, the narrative around a lot of these come from things like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown who were definitely not innocent angels walking around at the time of their death. I can't speak to whether Stephen Avery is innocent or not, but he sure as hell isn't a good dude. the CP5 were definitely not playing marbles and handing out gospel tracts at the time of the raping. that DOES NOT excuse the DA's tactics here, they DID NOT DESERVE the time they did, and THEY DO DESERVE some recompense for being accused and jailed of being the rapists when evidence points elsewhere. However, i feel like everytime hollywood picks up one of these stories, they paint a single side of the picture and leave out all the other shitastic deeds by their heroes.

to pair that with "we have a ton of people in jail for weed. that's ridiculous!" how many of them are in jail for only carrying weed and not any other previous sentences that led to harsher charges? not many.

it's nuanced and it sucks and we all want it to be fixed.
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