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re: “When they see us” Netflix -- Political Discussion -- Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:14 am to imjustafatkid
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:14 am to imjustafatkid
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No it didn't.
DNA from the rape kit didn't match any of the Central Park 5 guys.
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:16 am to jchamil
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Maybe this thread actually was needed. Now I'm interested in researching the other side of this story
The New York Police Department had a panel of attorneys investigate everything back in 2003 after the convictions were set aside. It is worth noting that no one ever made the claim, in a criminal court, that the confessions were coerced. In fact, some of the "Central Park Five" even reiterated their confessions in parole hearings years later. People who claim the DNA evidence exonerated these guys are simply refusing to look at the evidence themselves. Just because that guy's DNA was found on the body does not mean the other 5 had nothing to do with it.
Here's the New York Times article from 2003 about the Attorney Panel. I had to use an ad blocker to be able to view it.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:16 am to REG861
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well there was the fact that dna exonerated them. I know people like you think dna and science are liberal propaganda but fortunately society is leaving your type behind
Such a dumb statement. This was in 1989 when DNA testing was in it's infancy. No one had a database. Years after the 5 were convicted they lost some hair evidence in the file room. These dude were guilty of terrorizing people in the park and started selling each other out immediately in the cop cars on the way to the police station before even being questioned. More than 1 of them specifically used the word rape and another thought the was dead and said he had nothing to do with the murder.
This movie is nothing but cashing in our the race-sensitivity of our society these days. The black community is propping up this movie calling it a modern day lynching. These 5 "kids" were violent criminals. That's what is getting lost in all of this.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:18 am to GetCocky11
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DNA from the rape kit didn't match any of the Central Park 5 guys.
Yes. That is true. Even if we say they weren't guilty of rape, and I'm not sure that we can say that considering they definitely were involved, the most time any of them spent in prison was 13 years. I feel like that's fair given the fact that they definitely had a hand in almost killing a woman (she lost 80% of the blood in her body).
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:19 am to imjustafatkid
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Just because that guy's DNA was found on the body does not mean the other 5 had nothing to do with it.
Yea, five kids gang raped a girl and didn't leave a drop of dna behind, what a coincidence!
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The New York Police Department had a panel of attorneys investigate everything back in 2003
so attorneys were paid by the NYPD to say something favorable to the NYPD's narrative? Groundbreaking
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:20 am to MightyYat
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started selling each other out immediately in the cop cars on the way to the police station before even being questioned. More than 1 of them specifically used the word rape and another thought the was dead and said he had nothing to do with the murder.
Another guy completely unrelated to these 5 said he knew "about the murder" and specifically named one of these five guys. Even without the confessions, it was an INCREDIBLY strong case. Justice was done. The real travesty is that they've been given $41M even though they definitely DID assault the jogger.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:22 am to REG861
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Yea, five kids gang raped a girl and didn't leave a drop of dna behind, what a coincidence!
Rape was only one of the charges they were convicted of.
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so attorneys were paid by the NYPD to say something favorable to the NYPD's narrative? Groundbreaking
Not so sure about that, actually. The panel did agree that the rape convictions should have been set aside. That does not mean the Central Park 5 were innocent. You seem to be really set on these guys being innocent of any crime.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:22 am to REG861
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Yea, five kids gang raped a girl and didn't leave a drop of dna behind, what a coincidence!
They did. The hair samples went missing in the early 90's when the FBI went digging around.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:23 am to imjustafatkid
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it was an INCREDIBLY strong case
Based on what? Coerced confessions and no physical evidence?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:24 am to MightyYat
quote:Correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't the NYPD lab confuse dog hair with human hair in this specific case?
They did. The hair samples went missing in the early 90's when the FBI went digging around.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:24 am to MightyYat
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They did. The hair samples went missing in the early 90's when the FBI went digging around.
oh of course. the deep state put the fix in!
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Correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't the NYPD lab confuse dog hair with human hair in this specific case?
wow
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 11:26 am
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:25 am to GetCocky11
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Based on what? Coerced confessions and no physical evidence?
lol: These kids were turning on each other in the fricking cop cars on the way to the police station. They were saying the same things years later at parole hearings. They weren't innocent.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:26 am to GetCocky11
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Based on what? Coerced confessions and no physical evidence?
I love when people don't read. There was physical evidence and there is no evidence that the confessions were coerced. No investigation into this has ever determined that the police did anything wrong in obtaining the confessions. Any medium and anyone that tells you otherwise is lying to you.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:27 am to JBeam
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Correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't the NYPD lab confuse dog hair with human hair in this specific case?
Where did you see that? I haven't even seen articles totally sold out on the NYPD was wrong making this claim.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:27 am to MightyYat
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lol: These kids were turning on each other in the fricking cop cars on the way to the police station. They were saying the same things years later at parole hearings. They weren't innocent.
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MightyYat
I'm willing to bet there is not a single overturned conviction case where you wouldn't defend the prosecution's original story and insist 'they were guilty.'
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:33 am to REG861
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I'm willing to bet there is not a single overturned conviction case where you wouldn't defend the prosecution's original story and insist 'they were guilty.'
Your bias is showing. The evidence supports the finding of their guilt in this case.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:36 am to imjustafatkid
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The evidence supports the finding of their guilt in this case.
What evidence?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:37 am to imjustafatkid
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Not so sure about that, actually. The panel did agree that the rape convictions should have been set aside. That does not mean the Central Park 5 were innocent. You seem to be really set on these guys being innocent of any crime.
2 things
1) If they didn't rape anyone, which I don't think they did given the complete lack of physical evidence, they shouldn't have been sentenced for rape. There's a big difference between assault, or even aggravated assault, and rape. That's how our justice system should work
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2) I'm not discounting the possibility that they were involved in the attacks on the joggers. But going off the show alone, it seems like the 5 of them just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and were the unlucky ones who got busted by the cops being out there. There were dozens of kids out at the park. Does that mean every single one was complicit in beating down joggers? A lot of them were just hanging out, which kids do. I don't know the level of involvement of every single one of these kids in the attacks on joggers, but based off of what I've seen, it's highly likely they were just randomly grabbed by the cops and found guilty by association because they needed suspects. To the extent they may have attacked joggers, well shame on them and they've paid handsomely for that. Still doesn't excuse prosecutorial misconduct re: the rape.
What was the corroborating evidence that any or all of these five were personally attacking joggers other than being in central park at the time? I'm not discounting that evidence in advance.
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 11:38 am
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:40 am to REG861
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I'm willing to bet there is not a single overturned conviction case where you wouldn't defend the prosecution's original story and insist 'they were guilty.'
I'm willing to bet I've sat in on more forensic evidence testimony than every poster on this site combined. You have no idea.
THIS case........... nah. The fact that they didn't rape the girl is great I guess. That doesn't mean they were innocent. They didn't start the "coerced confession" shite until years after conviction. They were all singing on each other immediately like rats usually do. They were all giant pussies preying on people in the park and the city of New York rewarded them with $41 million and they scored a Netflix film deal.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:41 am to REG861
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But going off the show alone
It seems like a lot of these shows/documentaries are heavily slanted in favor of one side. I wouldn't base my opinion just on a show, and I'm not saying you are
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