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re: “When they see us” Netflix -- Political Discussion -- Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:13 pm to oogabooga68
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:13 pm to oogabooga68
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To brush it aside saying they were doing some not so good things in the park is like saying the Holocaust was a bunch of people taking showers
Yep. People want to conveniently forget that New York had a record number of murders that year and Central Park was being terrorized by these guys and others.
It's worth noting that New York has a website up with all of the evidence from all 3 investigations into this matter. It includes transcripts of their parole hearings.
LINK
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 2:14 pm
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:14 pm to imjustafatkid
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Does it matter to you that the DNA evidence was presented at trial as not belonging to these men, and yet they were still convicted? If the fact that the DNA did not belong to these men was exculpatory, then why did the juries still find them guilty?
Uh, because the jurors were idiots and unfamiliar with a relatively new science at the time? Is that really your argument?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:21 pm to REG861
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Uh, because the jurors were idiots and unfamiliar with a relatively new science at the time? Is that really your argument?
Yes. That's my entire argument. All of it.
ETA: It's hilarious that you think the jury did not understand "the semen found didn't belong to these men." You're really sold out to the conclusion you want.
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:27 pm to imjustafatkid
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Yep. People want to conveniently forget that New York had a record number of murders that year and Central Park was being terrorized by these guys and others.
nobody is brushing it aside
but them being guilty of robberies earlier in the night is not evidence that they raped the woman
that's the point that you seemingly keep missing
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:28 pm to imjustafatkid
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My contention is that they are guilty of rape even if they did not specifically rape her. I've never made the claim that they actually performed the rape. Their actions led to someone being raped. They deserved to be punished for that.
Holy fricking shite get the frick out of here with that garbage.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:29 pm to Salmon
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but them being guilty of robberies earlier in the night is not evidence that they raped the woman
Nah, they dindu nuffin, perfect boys, was about to go to college
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:30 pm to 225bred
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Nah, they dindu nuffin, perfect boys, was about to go to college
amazing contribution as usual
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:31 pm to Salmon
I mean, it's about the level of intellect this thread deserves.
Sure they didn't rape, but they were beating and robbing people, yet you all act like they were perfect choir boys who were actually victims
it's hilarious
Sure they didn't rape, but they were beating and robbing people, yet you all act like they were perfect choir boys who were actually victims
it's hilarious Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:34 pm to 225bred
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Sure they didn't rape
yet they were convicted of rape, which is kinda the point
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yet you all act like they were perfect choir boys who were actually victims it's hilarious
yet nobody is doing that
this was actually a decent thread, but I'm sure you're about to completely frick it up
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:35 pm to Salmon
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this was actually a decent thread, but I'm sure you're about to completely frick it up
God forbid I break up the echo chamber
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:37 pm to 225bred
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God forbid I break up the echo chamber
what echo?
half the posts in this thread are from fatkid, and he has done a decent job of posting real info
not just hurling insults at people that disagree with his stances
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:44 pm to Dr RC
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Holy fricking shite get the frick out of here with that garbage.
The farthest I'm willing to go is attempted rape or rape conspirator (if there is such a thing). They definitely were involved. There is no doubt about that at all.
All I'm saying is 10 years was not an excessive punishment for these guys. They earned that time.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:47 pm to Salmon
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nobody is brushing it aside
but them being guilty of robberies earlier in the night is not evidence that they raped the woman
that's the point that you seemingly keep missing
I think it is a pretty stout case that they were involved in this woman's attack. Reyes was never interrogated about jogger case, and the case was never investigated with the intent of prosecuting it once they matched the DNA to him, but none of that was even relevant to the original convictions. It was clearly stated in their trials that they did not find these guys' semen on the victim. It wasn't hidden from anyone. The convictions most likely would have happened even if they had arrested Reyes at the time. They just would have had him as another defendant.
This thread has gone down a rabbit hole, but my primary point here is that any TV show or documentary that paints these guys out to be innocent victims who were brought down by the man should not be believed as accurate. That simply isn't a reasonable conclusion to make.
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:50 pm to imjustafatkid
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I think it is a pretty stout case that they were involved in this woman's attack.
It's all circumstantial.
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Reyes was never interrogated about jogger case, and the case was never investigated once they matched the DNA to him
Because his confession corroborated with the scene and evidence.
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but none of that was even relevant to the original convictions. It was clearly stated in their trials that they did not find these guys' semen on the victim. It wasn't hidden from anyone.
What? Having Reyes identified as the rapist would have absolutely been relevant to the original convictions. How could it not?
This was the reason why their convictions were vacated.
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 6/5/19 at 2:57 pm to Salmon
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What? Having Reyes identified as the rapist would have absolutely been relevant to the original convictions. How could it not?
Maybe they wouldn't have been convicted of rape, but they certainly would have still gotten lengthy sentences. If we're not talking about reduced sentences, then what are we talking about? One of them was never convicted of rape in the first place, and that guy got the most time of all of them. Am I to believe the rest of them would have gotten less than 10 years if Reyes had been a part of the trials?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 3:13 pm to imjustafatkid
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imjustafatkid
SHOCKED that this dude posts on the Poli board
Posted on 6/5/19 at 3:29 pm to arkyhawk
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SHOCKED that this dude posts on the Poli board
And has contributed far more to this thread than your little snarky shite post because you can’t think of anything of substance to say on the matter (or more likely in general)
Posted on 6/5/19 at 3:30 pm to arkyhawk
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SHOCKED that this dude posts on the Poli board
Because you didn't realize people who post on the Poli Board actually come equipped with facts and evidence to support their views?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 3:41 pm to imjustafatkid
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equipped with facts
What facts? You still haven't presented any actual physical evidence that they were involved with the attack on that jogger.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 3:44 pm to GetCocky11
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What facts? You still haven't presented any actual physical evidence that they were involved with the attack on that jogger.
You clearly won't be able to admit you're wrong about this statement. This is the last time I'll be giving you a response.
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