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re: Wheel of Time Season 2
Posted on 9/17/23 at 12:40 am to Duzz
Posted on 9/17/23 at 12:40 am to Duzz
quote:Nah, it doesn't have to knock it out of the park. Even competent production standards for an anticipated show would likely be enough.
Its because they failed so hard in season 1 that it didn't deserve a season 2 thread. You would have to keep on it and keep updating. Season thread only happen for shows that knock it out of the ball park.
Consider these two Prime fantasies- Rings of Power, and Wheel of Time. Both veered off track, often maddening loyal fans of the franchises. Both need significant improvement in the writing area, as well as someone having a Come To Jesus meeting with the show runners to produce something good (appealing to the audience) if they're going to keep getting money to make their shows.
But- Rings of Power looked good. The orcs, Khazad Dum, Numenor- visually great. Competent camerawork with the Brandyfeet (Hobbits)... not really anyone's favorite inclusion, but they successfully pulled off the angles so there was no issue perceiving those characters to be 3 ft tall. Even the score and music was top notch. Someone needs to slap some sense into the creators and get them on the same page as Tolkien's world, but that's a failure of plot and creation; the technical stuff was great. Even some of the WTF stuff like Galadriel's slow mo horse ride ecstasy... goofy inclusion, but someone is gonna be able to put that shot on his resume, and say "see, this is how to do a slow mo closeup". It was framed and shot great.
Contrast to Wheel of Time- looked cheap, and I'd say still does for the most part. Wardrobe looked fake and crappy, worse than Xena level stuff. Zero sense of scale transferred to the screen. Sets looked thrown together a day ahead of time. The bad guy critters and most special effects look like Roger Corman level bad... really all of it seems like a low budget early 90's B movie. And if you're going to go that route, at least put some eye candy in, but the women in this seem intentionally homely.
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 9:43 am to LSUTitan99
Maybe I wasn’t paying attention, but how exactly did they go in expecting to defeat the dark one and end up just releasing one of his homies?
Posted on 9/17/23 at 5:48 pm to LSUTitan99
I loved the books.
I sat threw the shite show that was the first season.
I started the first episode of season 2 Thursday night and turned it off after about 10 minutes.
It’s crap.
I sat threw the shite show that was the first season.
I started the first episode of season 2 Thursday night and turned it off after about 10 minutes.
It’s crap.
This post was edited on 9/17/23 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 9/17/23 at 8:55 pm to LSUTitan99
Absolute bull shite what they did to my favorite series. They couldnt even get Elayne's hair color right! SHE IS SUPPOSE TO BE BLONDE!
This adaptation is a bastardized version of the greatest fantasy series ever. Woke bullshite. Its as if netflix did the casting.
Everything about this show is NOT in the books. Its trash and only those who have zero fricking clue about the series or have forgotten what they read enjoy it
Still pisses me off
This adaptation is a bastardized version of the greatest fantasy series ever. Woke bullshite. Its as if netflix did the casting.
Everything about this show is NOT in the books. Its trash and only those who have zero fricking clue about the series or have forgotten what they read enjoy it
Still pisses me off
Posted on 9/17/23 at 9:34 pm to ChexMix
quote:Not me anymore.
Still pisses me off
I just pretend like it doesn't exist.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 9:38 pm to Roaad
quote:my girl likes to watch the series even though i bitch the entire way through
I just pretend like it doesn't exist.
Its just so bad and off script. Makes me want to read the series again just to wash my brain of the filth Amazon created
Posted on 9/17/23 at 9:43 pm to ChexMix
quote:I may be a broken record, at this point, but I stand by this:
Its just so bad and off script.
When they suggested The Dragon could possibly be a female, I knew that Rafe just didn't understand the source material.
That was episode 1
It got worse from there.
Season finale just destroyed all established lore.
After that finale, it feels like watching S2 would make me complicit in the rape.
This post was edited on 9/17/23 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 9/17/23 at 10:10 pm to ChexMix
quote:
ts trash and only those who have zero fricking clue about the series or have forgotten what they read enjoy it.
I know nothing about the books, and even with all of the exposition, it felt like I was missing a lot. The show seemed rushed, especially the end of the first season. None of the protagonists came off as particularly rootable, and most of the acting (or script) was just not good.
Just the fact that the OP said that they had to change the story to make it work makes me feel like they screwed up the story from the get-go, and I have zero interest in jumping into season two when it sounds like the writers have no idea what they're doing. I bored watched season 1, and hate watched season 1 of The Rings of Power. No point in watching season 2 of either show now since they're more of a waste of time than entertainment.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 10:45 pm to P-Dawg
quote:oh its worse than you can ever imagine.
Just the fact that the OP said that they had to change the story to make it work makes me feel like they screwed up the story from the get-go,
The World that Robert Jordan created was so antithetical to todays modern liberal world view that they felt compelled to frick up the entire story in every aspect.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 10:53 pm to Roaad
quote:it was fricked up to me the instant that Perrin was black, married and had to kill his "wife"
When they suggested The Dragon could possibly be a female, I knew that Rafe just didn't understand the source material.
Like, what in the ever living frick is this???? Perrin was a white virgin that didnt marry Faile until way later in the story.
Now I get being inclusive, but Robert Jordan had every race included in his story. there was no need to frick up the characters.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 6:24 am to ChexMix
quote:
Now I get being inclusive, but Robert Jordan had every race included in his story. there was no need to frick up the characters.
Especially with Wheel of Time, which already existed in an oppressive matriarchy, whose male protagonists were already at its mercy, who had a plethora of "strong female characters" and a pretty diverse universe.
But... it had a strong and powerful white male protagonist, and that's a no-no for the most part at Amazon.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 8:24 am to AUCom96
I read the books, although it has been quite a while. I'm enjoying it for what it is and have turned other woke shows like She Hulk off after 15 minutes.
They have foresaken in this season, and the villains are well done. The sets look much better too
They have foresaken in this season, and the villains are well done. The sets look much better too
Posted on 9/18/23 at 8:50 am to Esquire
quote:
Maybe I wasn’t paying attention, but how exactly did they go in expecting to defeat the dark one and end up just releasing one of his homies?
I can give you a book lore answer if you want. The show strays very very far from the source material at times and I have not watched S2 yet, but I think the show lore will be at least a little similar.
It would be a fairly major spoiler though.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 2:39 pm to LSUTitan99
quote:
Yes, there are a lot of changes from the books, but there had to be.
This is a lazy take. What had to be changed? There's always going to be differences in the books and movies/shows, but what were some of the changes they had to make? Hell what were some of the major changes they had to make, much less all the smaller ones? Seeing that you didn't mention any I'm just assuming you're saying that you're saying that because that sounds like a good excuse.
I told myself that I wasn't going to watch any of S2 but curiosity got the best of me so I watched the first episode. It was awful. The ending to S1 was so bad you can't bounce back with a good story after that and the acting as a whole is just terrible. I'm glad I watched that episode because I have zero desire to see any more. I feel bad for the die hard fans of the books, the story deserved better.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 2:46 pm to iwyLSUiwy
There had to be large story differences because you have to pair down 1000+ page books into 8-10 episodes, and 15 books into 6-8 seasons at most.
The problem isn't changing the story per se.
They changed things that OBVIOUSLY did not need to change solely for political purposes, IMO.
The problem isn't changing the story per se.
They changed things that OBVIOUSLY did not need to change solely for political purposes, IMO.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 5:27 pm to Fun Bunch
Translating a story from the written word to video by definition is a change
As is condensing a sprawling Epic into a more concise storyline in the interest of time.
But neither requires a change in the substance of the original work
As is condensing a sprawling Epic into a more concise storyline in the interest of time.
But neither requires a change in the substance of the original work
Posted on 9/18/23 at 8:20 pm to luvdoc
quote:
But neither requires a change in the substance of the original work
It does when you fundamentally hate the substance of the original work.
See: The Witcher, Rings of Power, etc.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 7:39 am to Centinel
quote:
It does when you fundamentally hate the substance of the original work.
What I’ve noticed about many of these recent “updated for a modern audience” translations is exactly this.
It’s not that they don’t understand the original.
It’s not even that they struggle to translate it to a screen or have risks fall short.
It’s that the studios have for almost a decade now bought established IP and then proceeded to bring in writers and showrunners who openly mock and despise the source IP.
The studios know the showrunners hate the IP and continue with them anyway.
Before I thought it was just a matter of Hollywood not being competent anymore.
I now truly believe these properties were acquired by these studios to destroy them as part of a movement to re-define American culture and any financial losses incurred are acceptable to the business entities underwriting the studios or else wholesale changes would’ve already been made long ago.
If multiple studios are making choices they know will cost them tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars and refuse to change course what other conclusion can reasonably be made? Why else would a business ignore its customers?
Posted on 9/19/23 at 7:40 am to Centinel
I love and have read the series multiple times.
I also have loved the show. Season 2 has been great.
But I've also really enjoyed The Witcher and Rings of Power. I think most of yall really dont understand what adaptation and "based on the books by..." means
There's going to be significant changes. Just try to treat it as a separate but related thing.
I also have loved the show. Season 2 has been great.
But I've also really enjoyed The Witcher and Rings of Power. I think most of yall really dont understand what adaptation and "based on the books by..." means
There's going to be significant changes. Just try to treat it as a separate but related thing.
This post was edited on 9/19/23 at 7:41 am
Posted on 9/19/23 at 8:16 am to ChexMix
quote:
The World that Robert Jordan created was so antithetical to todays modern liberal world view that they felt compelled to frick up the entire story in every aspect.
Some libs in a room discussing how to make it "more modern"
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