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re: Wheel of Time - Season 1 - Amazon - NOW A BOOK READERS THREAD
Posted on 12/27/21 at 6:21 pm to Mystery
Posted on 12/27/21 at 6:21 pm to Mystery
I saw a quote from one of the showrunners that perfectly sums up the reason this show is failing. It was something to the tune of...Rand, in the books, faces Ishmael, then kills the Trolloc army then finds the Horn and he does all this shite and no one else does anything so we just split everything up to make it feel more like an ensemble show and to give our other characters something to do.
On the surface, it's not a bad idea. They can make Egwene and all the others more interesting and give them other things to do but they just aren't finding the right balance with rearranging the plot, and manipulating events and characters. The main character of the show isn't even the main character. After 6 episodes, my wife turned to me and said, "I thought you said Rand was the main character?"
The Dragon Reborn is supposed to be immensely powerful, right? Rand decimating the Trolloc army would have shown that. Hell, just based off the season finale, I'd say Egwene and Nynaeve have just as good a case to being the Dragon as Rand.
I honestly don't think any of them know what they're doing and it's a shame because I can totally see myself enjoying the show. Hell, I still enjoy some of the performances and actors. But the writing, the world building, the production, the CGI, frick man...it's bad
Someone could show this to someone on their TV and they'd probably think it was a Sci-Fi channel original series.
On the surface, it's not a bad idea. They can make Egwene and all the others more interesting and give them other things to do but they just aren't finding the right balance with rearranging the plot, and manipulating events and characters. The main character of the show isn't even the main character. After 6 episodes, my wife turned to me and said, "I thought you said Rand was the main character?"
The Dragon Reborn is supposed to be immensely powerful, right? Rand decimating the Trolloc army would have shown that. Hell, just based off the season finale, I'd say Egwene and Nynaeve have just as good a case to being the Dragon as Rand.
I honestly don't think any of them know what they're doing and it's a shame because I can totally see myself enjoying the show. Hell, I still enjoy some of the performances and actors. But the writing, the world building, the production, the CGI, frick man...it's bad
Someone could show this to someone on their TV and they'd probably think it was a Sci-Fi channel original series.
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Posted on 12/27/21 at 6:28 pm to Centinel
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You know exactly why he did it. The scene in Tarwin's Gap should tell you all you need to know. As I said earlier, his politics rules every decision he makes.
Right the whole story centers around how OP Rand is. Why the frick would he take away Rand using the eye of the world to destroy the trolloc army.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 6:36 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Someone could show this to someone on their TV and they'd probably think it was a Sci-Fi channel original series.
You would need Tornadoes.
Orcnado
Posted on 12/27/21 at 6:37 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Rand, in the books, faces Ishmael
Admittedly my attention was fading, but was there any mention in the show yet of the forsaken or of him being Ishmael? It seemed like he was supposed to be the Dark One, but we know that's not true.
This post was edited on 12/27/21 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 12/27/21 at 6:49 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Someone could show this to someone on their TV and they'd probably think it was a Sci-Fi channel original series.
Have yet to watch it but you could tell how shitty the quality was from the preview. I remember saying on here it looked like CW quality. Seriously where did the money go for this series?
Posted on 12/27/21 at 6:50 pm to LSUBoo
They mention Ish on the show several times.
You don’t know he’s Ish in the books until the end of book 3.
You don’t know he’s Ish in the books until the end of book 3.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 7:09 pm to MFn GIMP
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The actress that plays Alanna said, "In this first season I didn't want to read too much because I wanted to get my feet in, and make her mine. And now, I can play with her. Now when I read the books, I won't be influenced by her persona in the books. This gives me the opportunity to create her and play her."
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"deaths are coming for characters that don't die in the books."
This is why authors demand creative control.
I'm sure we'll still have some usual suspects too dishonest to acknowledge the obvious but...
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it's just not Wheel of Time.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 7:10 pm to molsusports
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The people running the show apparently dislike the major characters.
This is also the show's biggest downfall to me. I never have ever felt like Rand, Mat or Perrin were ever as important as Moirane, Lan, Nynaeve and Egwene. The showrunners clearly fell in love with those four and kind of just hoped the other three could carry it themselves because they do in the books. Again, balance. GOT found the right formula for making every single arc you're following (Ned, Jon Snow, Dany, Tyrion) feel as though they could be the main character. Sometimes that meant spending a 25 minutes of an episode with Tyrion and only 5 with Jon but then reversing that the following episode.
It's clear that is what these showrunners and writers tried to do but fricked it up pretty bad as far as Mat, Perrin and Rand go. On the other hand, I'm pretty invested in Moirane, Lan and Nynaeve. Could give a frick less about Egwene but the writing for the other three was clearly where the juice and passion of the writers went. Those three have some of the best scenes and best writing.
Rand, Mat and Perring? Woof. Perrin especially is just bad, from the acting to the lines. I actually enjoyed the actors who played Mat and Rand even if they don't have a lot to do or say.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 7:44 pm to UnluckyTiger
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Have yet to watch it but you could tell how shitty the quality was from the preview. I remember saying on here it looked like CW quality. Seriously where did the money go for this
Rafe donated it to BLM and fight for feminism
Posted on 12/27/21 at 8:22 pm to Mystery
Posted on 12/27/21 at 9:48 pm to WicKed WayZ
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I saw a quote from one of the showrunners that perfectly sums up the reason this show is failing. It was something to the tune of...Rand, in the books, faces Ishmael, then kills the Trolloc army then finds the Horn and he does all this shite and no one else does anything so we just split everything up to make it feel more like an ensemble show and to give our other characters something to do.
That's because he's the fricking Dragon Reborn, the result of prophecy. The rest are secondary characters to help tell the fullness of Rand's story. That he thinks it's an "ensemble" shows the depth of his lack of understanding of the stories and its characters.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 10:40 am to MFn GIMP
That is pretty sad.
With the correct writing and direction I guess it should not matter much. But to have that mindset for something this revered is messed up.
With the correct writing and direction I guess it should not matter much. But to have that mindset for something this revered is messed up.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 10:47 am to Mystery
It is pretty obvious that going in, they thought "this series is pretty unadaptable, so we will have to change up quite a lot".
But instead of excising weak or irrelevant plot points and the like, they decided to fundamentally change a lot of things, often for political reasons.
Why not keep the prophecies as is? Why not focus mostly on the 3 boys and expand focus as the show goes on? And so on.
Season 1 had a lot of miscalculations.
But instead of excising weak or irrelevant plot points and the like, they decided to fundamentally change a lot of things, often for political reasons.
Why not keep the prophecies as is? Why not focus mostly on the 3 boys and expand focus as the show goes on? And so on.
Season 1 had a lot of miscalculations.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 1:27 pm to Fun Bunch
Haven't been on TD since the finally.
The episode started off ok, until the battle began. My god the scene where all 5 of the girls were channeling together was one of the dumbest looking scenes ever. I literally laughed out loud while it was happening.
The clowns running this show just cannot help themselves in trying to make it their own on EVERYTHING. They kind of had a chance to reset and possibly get back closer to source material once they arrived at Fal Dara. But nope, they decide to let Rand and Moiraine walk off, just the two of them and have the rest of the crew stand around like a bunch of dummies. All Perrin does is stare down Padan Fain and all Loial does is get stabbed. Thanks for yalls service.
They spend so much time during the season building up how powerful Egwene to some degree but especially Nynaeve, only to let Agelmars sister, who we've known for about 2 seconds, be the one who essentially saves the city. These guys somehow manage to screw up their screw ups. I didnt know that was possible.
I just dont get it. Its actually quite an accomplishment just how many times the show runners were like "nope, im better at telling Robert Jordans story than Robert Jordan is".
My brother, who hasnt read the books, actually enjoyed it pretty good. I have to say, I know I would have enjoyed it better if I didnt know just how far off the source material they went and how much worse everything they did was. I find it hard to believe there are many book readers who could sit through each episode and not think about how dumb some of the changes were. Thats not factoring in any woke argument you want to make, I dont care about that, im just talking straight story.
Question: In the book, how long was the timeline from when they left the Two Rivers to when they got to Fal Dara?
The episode started off ok, until the battle began. My god the scene where all 5 of the girls were channeling together was one of the dumbest looking scenes ever. I literally laughed out loud while it was happening.
The clowns running this show just cannot help themselves in trying to make it their own on EVERYTHING. They kind of had a chance to reset and possibly get back closer to source material once they arrived at Fal Dara. But nope, they decide to let Rand and Moiraine walk off, just the two of them and have the rest of the crew stand around like a bunch of dummies. All Perrin does is stare down Padan Fain and all Loial does is get stabbed. Thanks for yalls service.
They spend so much time during the season building up how powerful Egwene to some degree but especially Nynaeve, only to let Agelmars sister, who we've known for about 2 seconds, be the one who essentially saves the city. These guys somehow manage to screw up their screw ups. I didnt know that was possible.
I just dont get it. Its actually quite an accomplishment just how many times the show runners were like "nope, im better at telling Robert Jordans story than Robert Jordan is".
My brother, who hasnt read the books, actually enjoyed it pretty good. I have to say, I know I would have enjoyed it better if I didnt know just how far off the source material they went and how much worse everything they did was. I find it hard to believe there are many book readers who could sit through each episode and not think about how dumb some of the changes were. Thats not factoring in any woke argument you want to make, I dont care about that, im just talking straight story.
Question: In the book, how long was the timeline from when they left the Two Rivers to when they got to Fal Dara?
Posted on 12/28/21 at 1:35 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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My brother, who hasnt read the books, actually enjoyed it pretty good. I have to say, I know I would have enjoyed it better if I didnt know just how far off the source material they went and how much worse everything they did was.
The non-book readers I've talked to haven't liked it much at all, but they have probably liked it more than the book readers. Mostly they just have no clue what's going on.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 3:39 pm to LSUBoo
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The non-book readers I've talked to haven't liked it much at all, but they have probably liked it more than the book readers. Mostly they just have no clue what's going on.
Not to just completely keep dogging the show bc I did enjoy a few aspects, but I cant really think of a character that they really made you care about or really like. I've said that before so it might be a broken record at this point. And up until the finale, the show just felt like it didn't go anywhere. There is plenty of substance in regards to the difficulty of the journey in the book, and you just didnt get any feel of that.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 3:47 pm to LSUBoo
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The non-book readers I've talked to haven't liked it much at all, but they have probably liked it more than the book readers. Mostly they just have no clue what's going on.
I'm not a book reader and think it's pretty bad. I really wanted to like this and gave it as much of a shot as I could, but think I'm done at this point. Watched about five minutes of the final episode then turned it off. Decided it wasn't worth wasting any further time on.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 8:59 pm to LSUBoo
quote:I'm a non-reader. I wanted to like it.
The non-book readers I've talked to haven't liked it much at all, but they have probably liked it more than the book readers. Mostly they just have no clue what's going on.
I think it's pretty telling that the non-reader thread hasn't been bumped in awhile. Amazon might be getting good viewer numbers, but I think the issue is there's really not much in the way of series right now, especially a "top tier" fantasy.
I may or may not watch the next season. If I never see this show again, I probably won't care. Am I supposed to care about any of these characters? Am I supposed to know what's going on with the guys on the boats? Are we supposed to watch for the dudes in the white robes and bad haircuts anymore? Was the horse-faced rasta-man supposed to be meaningful in some way? Do Moley and bitter Wisdom chick hook up?
Posted on 12/28/21 at 10:58 pm to Scoob
I tried. They nailed a few casting choices, but just thoroughly bombed Egwene. It might be the writing, but I really don't think she can act this part at all, and it is a problem.
If they were going to try to adapt this, they should have realized it was only going to work by taking the time with the characters and building everyone up gradually so you do care about them. If that means only a few books get adapted, so be it. The way they have jumbled everything up, I have no idea how anyone who hasn't read the books has the faintest clue what is really going on.
I think they were right to make Moraine the centerpiece of the season. Rosamund Pike was an inspired casting choice and the character is in the best position to explain everything and lead.
If they were going to try to adapt this, they should have realized it was only going to work by taking the time with the characters and building everyone up gradually so you do care about them. If that means only a few books get adapted, so be it. The way they have jumbled everything up, I have no idea how anyone who hasn't read the books has the faintest clue what is really going on.
I think they were right to make Moraine the centerpiece of the season. Rosamund Pike was an inspired casting choice and the character is in the best position to explain everything and lead.
This post was edited on 12/28/21 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:01 am to PassingThrough
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I have no idea how anyone who hasn't read the books has the faintest clue what is really going on.
That is where I am and why I came to this thread. I see I'm not thinking out the box. The final battle kind of did me in. She waits till the army breaks through to tell them what she was going to do. Maybe letting them in on the plan would have helped. Apparently you could have done this the whole time and saved your brother. I'm probably nit picking there but if you're going to do a high quality fantasy book don't half arse shite like these scenes.
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