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re: What changed with GRRM to allow D&D to do this?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:34 am to Arksulli
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:34 am to Arksulli
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GRRM has had a bad tendency to jump into a new series, get things going really well, and then get bored with it and get the itch write something new. You can only describe feasts and rape so many times in a fantasy setting before you get the urge to write about them in, say, a science fiction setting.
You're pretty wrong here. Check his bibliography. Since 1996, he's pretty much only written stuff related to the world of A Song of Ice and Fire.
Though, he is also the editor for a number of anthology books over that span.
I don't fault any writer that takes a break between books from one series to write in another series or add short stories to flesh out the universe, but book fans have every reason to gripe about, what has become, his ever increasing gap between volumes.
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Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:37 am to Salmon
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and they are mostly from Mel, who, in the books and in the show, has been proven to have been wrong multiple times
Misinterpreting a prophesy isn’t the same as saying it was entirely untrue and pointless.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:38 am to Mystery
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If you did not have that built in perception something like Ned dying would not have been unexpected.
well you are mad because you had a built in perception that Jon would fulfill his hero arc
and he still might BTW
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:39 am to OMLandshark
Dany and drogos son will be the stallion that mounts the earth.
It’s prophecy so it must be true.
It’s prophecy so it must be true.
This post was edited on 4/30/19 at 8:40 am
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:40 am to TigerinATL
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People have noted that this episode seems to have caused a divide between Hodors and Maesters and I think it's over this issue. The prophecies and foreshadowing seem to play a central role in the books and have been overanalyzed to death. In the show they just haven't stood out. Book readers feel like they'be been bait and switched while us Hodors are able to just enjoy it for what it is because we didn't have the preconceived notion of what it should be.
I don’t think any book reader had any doubt that Jon would kill the Night King, or at worst that Dany would kill him. We feel like we were ripped off with Arya taking him down with absolutely no foreshadowing. And don’t give me the dagger thing, since that was foreshadowing Littlefinger’s death and not the Night King.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:42 am to OMLandshark
The only bitch who’s been completely right is that witch outside of Casterly Rock. Someone needs to find her.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:43 am to Salmon
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well you are mad because you had a built in perception that Jon would fulfill his hero arc
and he still might BTW
I am upset because a major part of the story was just erased. It didn't have to be Jon, although he made the most sense. Dany, Bran or possibly even Jaime (I don't subscribe to that) could have tied it together.
It isn't about Jon needing his hero moment. He has had plenty of those. And I am sure will again.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:43 am to Mystery
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And it was there in the story.
You know what wasn’t in the story?
Jon killing the NK
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:44 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
The NK isn’t in the books at all.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:44 am to OMLandshark
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any book reader
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kill the Night King
Interesting.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:45 am to Mystery
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even Jaime
How in the frick could Jamie tie it together better than Arya
Gtfo
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:45 am to ell_13
Exactly
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:45 am to Nguyener
quote:What about people like me who can't read or write...do we not deserve to see the show?
it really sucks because instead of book fans getting a great ending
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:46 am to Mystery
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The hardest thing is in any series is when you build up a villain that's so impossible to defeat and then you defeat them...it had to be intelligently done
Well, so much for that
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:46 am to Adam Banks
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This is most symbolized by when she leaves the freys I think it was she had a choice to go south or return to winterfell to on an outside shot reunite and she went to winterfell.
I think you caught yourself here. She left after killing the freys for a personal vendetta. She came to Winterfell because she missed her family, but she still wants Cersei dead.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:48 am to OMLandshark
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We feel like we were ripped off with Arya taking him down with absolutely no foreshadowing.
She worships the god of death and was looking forward to this fight
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:49 am to theGarnetWay
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My thought as well. Everyone is complaining the show is too predictable after not taking the most predictable route.
"Predictable" is the wrong word. Arya's intervention against the night king wasn't at all predictable. It was conventional and that's what i think people are pissed about. Some martial artsy teenage girl comes in and capriciously kills this omnipresent, terrifying thing.
Like it or not but this was absolutely decided in front of some sorta focus group.
The show is now conventional and we're gonna get the same "dawn of a new day" ending to it we've seen a thousand times before in every disney fantasy movie, harry potter and lord of the rings knock off.
I expected better from all this.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:49 am to ell_13
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The NK isn’t in the books at all.
right
if we are pissed about ruining the prophecy, where does it say that AA will kill the NK?
it just says that AA will defeat the darkness and return the world to summer
Jon and Dany could still be AA in that prophecy
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:50 am to volod
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She left after killing the freys for a personal vendetta. She came to Winterfell because she missed her family,
Yes she killed walker Frey but it obviously didn’t satisfy her enough to continue her way down the list. She’s more concerned about protecting and being with the living starks rather than focusing on avenging dead starks who aren’t coming back. Yes she wants to kill Cersei and still may kill Cersei however it is not her singular primary drive at this point
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:50 am to Adam Banks
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Dany and drogos son will be the stallion that mounts the earth.
It’s prophecy so it must be true.
A fricking witch got involved in this and also saw that same prophesy, so she decided to end it. There is still a lot of credence to that prophesy. Melisandre just telling Arya something isn’t enough to break a prophesy.
Also they didn’t falsely lead us for 8 seasons/7 books. It was for a few episodes/chapters. Rhaegar ran off with Lyanna in hopes of fulfilling that prophesy, so it basically ruins everything from Robert’s Rebellion onward with Arya defeating the Others.
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