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What changed with GRRM to allow D&D to do this?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 7:56 am
Posted on 4/30/19 at 7:56 am
So after the Jon reveal he was asked if he was ever tempted to change his heritage and he responded with this.
Although the Night King is not in the books he is synonymous with The Others. And we are lead to believe the Prince that is Promised will end that fight.
Then D&D decides it should be Arya who kills the Others threat and their reasoning is....
Adjusting the story for what is unexpected or what would be cool is not good storytelling.
Unfortunately Arya does not fit with any of the foreshadowing.
Does GRRM just not care anymore? He is old and just rolling in money I guess. And it is pretty clear this was all D&D's decision.
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GRRM “I’ve been planting all these clues that the butler did it, then you’re halfway through a series and suddenly thousands of people have figured out that the butler did it, and then you say the chambermaid did it? No, you can’t do that”
Although the Night King is not in the books he is synonymous with The Others. And we are lead to believe the Prince that is Promised will end that fight.
Then D&D decides it should be Arya who kills the Others threat and their reasoning is....
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David: "We hope to kind of avoid the expected, and Jon Snow has always been the one to be the hero, the one who's been the savior, but it just didn't seem right to us for this moment."
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Dan: Any situation where people are fighting, Arya needs to play a central role because she's one of the best at it, and she's one of the most fun to watch doing it
David: Even for Arya, she can't take on a whole horde of wights by herself especially when her head gets smacked, she's no longer at 100%. It's just about survival at that point.
Dan: Otherwise she's completely unstoppable, and she never loses her cool. It's amazing, and it's a lot of fun to watch, but it's also, it's one note. So we almost decided rewinding the clock on who Arya Stark really is to back before she came a sort of magical figure she's become would really be interesting. It would also give us a chance to change up the nature of the story we were telling.
Adjusting the story for what is unexpected or what would be cool is not good storytelling.
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GRRM “It’s easy to do things that are shocking or unexpected, but they have to grow out of characters. They have to grow out of situations. Otherwise, it’s just being shocking for being shocking.”
Unfortunately Arya does not fit with any of the foreshadowing.
Does GRRM just not care anymore? He is old and just rolling in money I guess. And it is pretty clear this was all D&D's decision.
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 11:45 am
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Posted on 4/30/19 at 7:59 am to Mystery
Does GRRM have that much of a say in the show?
Also, a lot of people that are already complaining that the ending will be too predictable, need to read this quote multiple times
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GRMM “It’s easy to do things that are shocking or unexpected, but they have to grow out of characters. They have to grow out of situations. Otherwise, it’s just being shocking for being shocking.”
Also, a lot of people that are already complaining that the ending will be too predictable, need to read this quote multiple times
This post was edited on 4/30/19 at 8:01 am
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:00 am to Mystery
Also Kit and Maisie Quotes.
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KIT "I was pissed. I was pissed that it wasn't me killing the Night King... I would have bet you thousands before we read the finals. I was like 'yeah, it's definitely me'. And then they lead you on that Jon's chasing the Night King..."
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Maisie "I immediately thought that everybody would hate it; that Arya doesn't deserve it. The hardest thing is in any series is when you build up a villain that's so impossible to defeat and then you defeat them...it had to be intelligently done because otherwise people are like, "well, [the villain] couldn't have been that bad when some 100-pound girl comes in and stabs him.'"
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:00 am to Mystery
When the money is coming in regardless and you feel the anxiety due to high expectations, it’s easy to say “frick it”.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:00 am to Mystery
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Adjusting the story for what is unexpected or what would be cool is not good storytelling.
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GRMM “It’s easy to do things that are shocking or unexpected, but they have to grow out of characters. They have to grow out of situations. Otherwise, it’s just being shocking for being shocking.”
I would say being trained for 7 seasons to be a killing machine is “grown out of a character”
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:00 am to Salmon
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Does GRRM have that much of a say in the show?
Does not seem so anymore.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:00 am to Mystery
“I love this show, they never do what you think they’re gonna do”
Much later
“frick this show, they didn’t do what they were supposed to”
Much later
“frick this show, they didn’t do what they were supposed to”
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:02 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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“I love this show, they never do what you think they’re gonna do”
Much later
“frick this show, they didn’t do what they were supposed to”
My thought as well. Everyone is complaining the show is too predictable after not taking the most predictable route.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:03 am to Adam Banks
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I would say being trained for 7 seasons to be a killing machine is “grown out of a character”
We understand she can fight with the best of them. So can the Hound or Brienne. Still would make no sense for them to kill the Others as a whole.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:05 am to Mystery
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Still would make no sense for them to kill the Others as a whole.
what does this mean?
wouldn't whoever had the best opportunity to kill the NK make the most sense?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:06 am to Salmon
Considering the characters can travel thousands of miles in twenty minutes now, literally anyone could have had the opportunity
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:07 am to Mystery
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What changed with GRMM to allow D&D to do this?
He got fat and lazy and saw his chance at millions so he sold his intellectual property and life's work before it was finished to Hollywood and let them finish his story for him. He doesn't have any right to complain and it really sucks because instead of book fans getting a great ending to what he started we get a rushed and poorly written Hollywood white washed ending that sets up prequels and sequels for the HBO cash machine.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:08 am to Salmon
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what does this mean?
wouldn't whoever had the best opportunity to kill the NK make the most sense?
No. Because it makes all the prophecies pointless. All the build up to Jon, Dany, Bran almost pointless.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:08 am to SabiDojo
sure
but for the characters that were there, it made sense that Arya was the one to be able to kill the NK
Jon tried and was trying, running past his friends "dying" so that he could do it
it's not like Jon patted Arya on the back and conceded her to kill the NK
but for the characters that were there, it made sense that Arya was the one to be able to kill the NK
Jon tried and was trying, running past his friends "dying" so that he could do it
it's not like Jon patted Arya on the back and conceded her to kill the NK
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:10 am to Mystery
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.it had to be intelligently done
Well it wasn't at all.
The set up to that was atrocious and Arya spider monkey attack ending with Rey's light saber drop was just stupid.
I have no problem with Arya killing the Night King. The way it was written and directed was garbage.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:10 am to Mystery
Oh, you're still hung up on the prophecies
some of y'all really need to separate the books from the show
you'll enjoy the show more
some of y'all really need to separate the books from the show
you'll enjoy the show more
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:11 am to Salmon
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Jon tried and was trying, running past his friends "dying" so that he could do it
He could've just had Drogon drop him off. You know. A giant flying dragon he inexplicably ran away from instead of climbing on.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:12 am to Salmon
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some of y'all really need to separate the books from the show
you'll enjoy the show more
It's really a bummer because the books will never be finished and the show is not at all a satisfying conclusion to the books.
A song of unfulfilled plot lines and blueballs.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:12 am to Nguyener
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I have no problem with Arya killing the Night King. The way it was written and directed was garbage.
I can understand this and I said to my wife after it happened they should have shown her at least getting into position
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:13 am to Salmon
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Oh, you're still hung up on the prophecies
some of y'all really need to separate the books from the show
you'll enjoy the show more
The prophecies are in the show as well. Not as heavy but in the show a number of times.
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