re: WESTWORLD Seasn 4 *season long discussion thread*

This season has been great. The production quality of this show has always been amazing. Im glad that the stories are starting to match the quality of the production again.

Only got 15 minutes in last night before I feel asleep. I was exhausted. The first 15 minutes were pretty good though

Well, the hosts fan into the same dilemma as the Q, Vampires, and even Leto in Dune. They achieve immortality. Smarter, stronger, faster, yet they have no idea what do do. There are no challenges. They have no life experience other than the abuse they suffered in the park. They got their revenge and have no clue what to do. The Q who wanted to die in Voyager made that case. Leto lived so long the one thing he treasured was a genuine surprise. Lestat discovered the vampires in Europe were old and bored. The boredom was killing them. This is why I hate 8 episodes. This line could have been explored in more depth.

Overall, it was a decent episode. First part was good. William at his best when playing bad guy. Ending was good as well. Host-william is entering his own maze.

The rescue scene was rushed and a little too forced. Yeah, they just pull up in a boat. They made no attempts at disguise or stealth. You have to figure the city is loaded with cameras and drones. The people are controlled. They just run through an alert crowd, shoot the bad guy, grab the girl and get back on the boat.

Christina Teddy line was pretty good. He apparently moves around outside of the matrix. He is an original so Hale can't control him.

The limitations of Tessa's acting is becoming more apparent each week.

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So is Christina the OG Delores?

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Remains to be seen, but I think she is.

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If so, did she really make herself forget everything or was it Haleores?

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Serac (the guy who “owned” Rehoboam) plugged OG Dolores into Rehoboam and wiped her memory in the season 3 finale when he was searching for the key to the Sublime (Dolores didn’t have it; Bernard did).

It’s possible Hale resurrected her out of sentimentality, or because OG Dolores had some kind of ability/talent that Hale needed which could be related to her role writing the “stories” for the city. It could also be that when Dolores made copies of herself (including Hale) she added some kind of code preventing the copies from killing her as a failsafe.

In any event, if Christina is OG Dolores we know how her memory got wiped. And judging by her recollection of the name “Dolores Abernathy” in this week’s episode, it would seem that at least some parts of her memory are still in there somewhere.

ETA: Speaking of the key to the Sublime, I thought the talk of “ascension” among the hosts was interesting. We know Bernard holds the key, but it’s also strongly implied that the “Forge” (which contained both the original park visitor data and the Sublime itself) is locked away at the Hoover Dam.. which Hale now owns.

So it raises a question of where the new hosts are ascending. Did Hale/William find a backdoor into the Sublime? Did they make a new one? It could be that Hale’s Sublime is basically another partition on the hard drive that holds the original Sublime. That could lead into some interesting storylines down the road.

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I'm sorry but this show has completely rebounded. Unlike any show I've ever seen.

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I still can't believe in the matter of 3 months we've had two shows do this basically.

Stranger Things never got to season 3 Westworld levels, but both shows bounced back with the vengeance in the 4th season, and I'm loving every second of it.

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You see a shadow and then hear a door open and close. It then cuts to host William coming out of the door to the roof to confront the outlier. Seemed pretty cut and dry IMO

I could see the “outlier” being a host though. She was oddly comfortable with William and laid her head on him and shite. Almost as if to manipulate him.

They also only find outliers because they hacked into a drone controlled by Hale and it told them that’s where the outlier was and Hale also didn’t do a normal “game” to kill this outlier. Just William and the rebels.

Honestly I don’t think anything nefarious is going on with that scene but I’d think that would be the more likely scenario then the leader being swapped out for a host

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I could see this as well, or none of it. So far this season has been great at being a little more straight forward than previous seasons with just enough "surprise" moments sprinkled in to make the viewer go:

Calm down, don't get your feelings hurt. One page ago you were saying those two bozos don't know how to tell a story.

A writer on The Prestige, The Dark Knight and Interstellar doesn't know how to tell a story.

And everyone else was saying the same thing after season 3

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All I want now is to see Teddy and Stubs beat the shite out of everyone. More so Teddy because he's a cold blooded killer under those soft eyes.

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Yeah I thought Stubbs was going to wreck shop when the fighting started. I’m sure his time (and Teddy’s) is coming. But poor Stubbs must be in dire need of some action. He had to be bored as shite waiting 23 years for Bernard to wake up.

Do we think the rebels/outliers know Stubbs and Bernard are hosts? It seems like they must have at least some inkling based, if nothing else, on how strange it is for them to just show up and know everything. But I don’t think I’ve heard it explicitly stated.

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Hope you have fun with it, first season was great all others have been shite

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I'm honestly a little shocked that this show is still on - I watched season 1 and enjoyed it for the most part. It seemed to start coming off the rails near the end of season 1 and I just totally lost interest. Parts of season 1 were very entertaining, though.